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and welcome back to pastor plex podcast.
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I'm your host, pastor plec, and joining me from the east side is none other than pastor holland greg.
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Welcome back, holland.
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Merry christmas, everyone, and you know two of one of the most fabulous people that we know.
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We've got brie and her husband, pablo uh mota, and we're so excited about them.
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Welcome back, guys.
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Hello.
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We're really looking forward for some more spicy insight into whatever we're going to talk about.
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Please bring the flavor, and then also from the Cody Sparks band.
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Mr Cody Sparks, how are you Still here?
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Yep, still here.
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So we've got one question and this first one is on a near and dear to everyone's heart is what is up with advent, what's the meaning of the colors of the advent candles?
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That's what everybody wants to know, and the answer to that where is this tradition from?
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Okay, so if you want to go catholic, yeah, you could say it's Catholic but pre-Catholic, so it goes all the way back to the 300, 400s and really Advent candles specifically, and kind of celebrating Advent in preparation for the coming of Christ was also sort of one of those things.
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Against Priscillaanism, which was a Gnostic-inspired movement which you're probably all wondering.
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What exactly is Priscillaanism, which was a Gnostic-inspired movement, which you're probably all wondering?
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What exactly is Priscillaanism?
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That would be derived from the Gnostic doctrines talked by Marcus, an Egyptian from Memphis not Memphis, tennessee, but Memphis, egypt.
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Priscillaanism was later considered a heresy by both Eastern Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church and essentially it got into Gnostic doctrine, which is essentially the light, like body is bad, the light and spirit is good.
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That's basically it.
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And so now, what does that have to do with Advent?
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Well, advent was one of those preparation things.
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In the same way that lent prepares you for easter, advent prepares you for christmas and um.
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So the catholics sort of dominated for that for a while.
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And then christians were like it's not just about christmas and easters, hence the term christers, who only come to church on Christmas and Easter.
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But instead of fighting the culture and being like consumerism is bad, stop giving presents.
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Protestants sort of got on board with Advent and were like you know what, why don't we just talk about scripture that relates to hope, love, joy and peace?
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And that would probably be a big win.
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And so that's what we've been doing.
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And so the Advent candles the color purple is meaning of royalty, and then the one pink candle is joy, and it's always joy, and everyone sort of debates what the order should be.
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Is it hope, love, joy, peace?
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Is it hope, peace, joy, love?
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But no one ever gets the pink one wrong, unless you're holland, and that is because it's.
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Everybody knows it's joy, not love but the order doesn't matter.
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Even though when you see pink you think love, it's not love it's joy.
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that's right, because that comes from the heresy of St Valentine.
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It comes from many different places.
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Maybe we don't know where it comes from.
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Anyway, yeah, red is the color of my heart.
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The rose-colored vestments is really what it comes from, I think from the back in the day, when everyone wore vestments because those were awesome.
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Some people still wear vestments, they do.
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What's a vestment for the audience?
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Back in the day when everyone wore vestments because those were awesome and vestments don't just.
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Some people still wear vestments, they do, and they're awesome.
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What's a vestment for the audience?
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A vestment is like a.
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You know how you have a robe as a priest or a Lutheran or a liturgical pastor, but not only vestments.
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You decorate your whole church with the colors of the year.
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So there you go.
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Okay, Chris, if you know so much about the Advent candles, what is the first candle called?
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It is called the Hope Candle.
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Wrong.
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It represents hope, but it is called the Prophecy Candle.
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I thought, yeah, okay.
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Second candle it symbolizes peace and is called the Peace Candle.
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Does he know anything about Advent?
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It's the Bethlehem Candle, peace, and is called the Peace candle.
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Does he know anything about Advent?
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I just, it's the Bethlehem candle, symbolizing peace and preparation, reflecting Mary and Joseph's journey to Bethlehem.
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The third candle is called the Celebration candle Shepherd's candle.
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That was close0 for 3.
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But who's counting?
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Fourth candle symbolizes love and is called the I love you candle.
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It is not the pink candle or red.
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The angels candle symbolizing love and the message of God's love that the angels announced that Christ brought.
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The only problem I have is that you have three problems.
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I have several problems is that everybody has different definitions of different candles, because some churches do hope love, then joy, then peace, and then some people do hope peace, joy, love.
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Some people do peace, hope, joy, love.
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Guys you, want to know what really matters.
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Joy, that sinner candle.
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And that is called the what candle, christ candle.
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That's the only one anyone needs to know All matters.
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Joy, that's center candle, and that is called the what candle.
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Christ's candle, that's the only one anyone needs to know.
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All right, there we go.
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I would get there.
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I got it right.
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I was just testing you.
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I was just allowing you to win Because, unlike in ping pong, you have to run a day.
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You don't.
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You have to go there.
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All right, you know what?
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Well, that's where we've all been all day.
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Yeah Well, listen, I had to make sure that all the order was set right back in the world when I beat you like four times in a row, I didn't bring it up on the podcast.
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No, but that's okay, because we're now in a new dispensation of ping pong.
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I'm not dispensational, all right.
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So anyway, that's the Advent candle.
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Uh, hopefully everyone understands and sees that I think the biggest thing is, in a time where Advent is, or in a time when the whole culture is is thinking about Santa Claus, we want the, the, the people of faith, we think about God, and that's why Advent calendars are super helpful.
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Adrian designed a, an Advent, an Advent devotional for families.
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So make sure you guys check that out, because it's super helpful to kind of get your family oriented towards Christ as opposed to towards Claus.
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Right, claus, like Santa Claus?
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Yeah, I just was trying to do an alliteration there.
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It didn't quite work, but yeah, and I'm not thumbs down on Santa.
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There didn't quite work, but yeah, I'm not and I'm not thumbs down on santa.
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Actually, I saw I got into a minor facebook debate, uh, because there's a lot of anti-santa claus people out there, and I was like I don't get angry about going to disney world and taking pictures with the um, disney princesses or the or the whatevers, or like if you go to, uh, I guess the only one close to us is like the Santa, what's it called SeaWorld and they have, like their little world, fiesta Texas or Fiesta Texas.
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There you go and you go next to all the characters.
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You can go to all the characters, take pictures with them.
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Nobody gets angry about that.
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But you go, sit down, take a picture with Santa.
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All right, go ahead.
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Pablo, yeah, we know why not tell your kids he's fake and take a picture with him, or what?
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Why do you take pictures with Mickey Mouse?
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No, tell the truth, we don't take pictures with Mickey Mouse.
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When I was at West Point, people would run up to me take a picture with me.
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They didn't know me, they didn't care, but they just wanted to take a picture with a cadet.
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Say they'd been to West Point.
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Like there he is, there's a real one.
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Or like when you go.
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Key word real, a real one, uh, or like when you go keyword real.
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Okay, there's a real character.
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It's a real character.
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You know, saint nicholas.
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Saint nicholas is a character, but I'm saying, yeah, it's like a character so if I, if I were to steel man the uh, santa claus argument, uh, someone who was devoted to bringing joy to children, saint nick, who is who is devoted to bringing joy to children?
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St Nick, who is, who is devoted to Orthodox, you know doctrine, and he punched Arian out.
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What else do you want, right he's he's.
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He's a godly man, he's a man's man.
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He's a man's man.
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Punches out heretics in the face.
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Um gave gifts to children.
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Yep, um cared for orphans and inspiring, and so the you know the idea of the Santa in the sleigh with the reindeer and all that there are.
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If I were trying to really support that, I'd be like.
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There's themes and principles of generosity.
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Agreed.
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Of love of you know the Christmas spirit of gift giving and caring for others, and you can take those principles and celebrate them in a mythical character based on a real character.
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Right, I was going to say fiction, yeah, just never lie to your kids.
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That's my big thing.
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Like never once do we ever say Santa was real and so that's a big deal.
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And so while the rest of the world wants to tell your kids about santa, you just go.
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And so my kids were always the the ones that made sure everyone knew at school that santa was not real doing god's work doing god's work, destroying christmas.
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One idea of santa was real.
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It was a real guy.
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Yeah, it was.
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So I mean technically, yeah, you could say it is a real guy.
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You just don't have to say he has reindeer.
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Right, but it's a mascot.
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He's the mascot of Christmas.
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I have no problem with mascots Like who's your favorite football team.
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Niners.
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Okay, do you guys have a.
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Well, yeah, what's your mascot?
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A?
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big.
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I don't think so.
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It's like a gold miner guy, digger, minor guy.
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Digger.
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Who's your favorite team?
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The Lions.
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Okay, if you went to Detroit, to Ford Field and you got on the field with them and you saw the mascot, would you take a picture?
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Yes, and I have Okay so if the truth comes out, pablo, it wasn't me.
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This is your household.
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This is your household.
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This is your household leading her astray.
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You guys have a horrible mascot.
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You only have one yeah, like the point, like you guys kind of got yeah.
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I don't know, yeah, just I mean it's the gold rush of 1849 right, that's what?
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Yeah, just a dude dressed up as a number.
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No, I'm sure we have.
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I'm sure we dressed up as a number.
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That would make sense.
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Your mascot is a guy dressed up as a number.
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That would make sense.
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I think your mascot is a guy dressed up as a football player.
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Yeah.
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Well, anyways, all right, so back to the lecture at hand.
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So you guys are like adamant, non-santa, like don't even acknowledge Santa Claus.
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I mean we'll acknowledge that this is something the world does but we're not going to do it?
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Are you one of those that say, like if you rearrange the, rearrange the letters his name is satan.
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No, I wouldn't go that far.
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Okay, that's the one I was disputing.
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Been there before, but you know, yeah, I think we've gotten past that for me.
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I just don't get the point like, if we're gonna let our kids know it's not real, then why are we even gonna like they're gonna get the gifts from and they're going to know it's from us anyways.
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So where's the fun of Santa?
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Have you ever tricked a child before?
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They do not do Halloween, it's really fun.
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They don't do Halloween.
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We'll also say right, what's that the Halloween deal?
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Oh yeah.
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Deal two oh yeah.
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So some of us don't want to worship demonic spirits.
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Worship demonic spirits, yeah, if you want to, that's between you and me.
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I don't say anything.
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I was just saying that I was here when this podcast happened.
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Yeah, not on it, but here.
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Softened on Halloween because we had to post a Halloween event for Apartment Life and we used it as a evangelical evangelizing.
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Shocking how that can happen.
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Tricking Tricksters Santa.
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Claus, I not going to tell my child.
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Santa Claus is real.
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I never said you had to tell your kid Santa's real.
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If they know it's not real what's the point of doing it at?
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all?
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Don't you pretend things all the time?
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Are you not going to play any pretend?
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You don't have imagination.
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You're not going to do Imagination Station.
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You're not going to do Lord of the Rings.
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No, whoa, uh-oh here we go.
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That is anathema.
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Is that not, lord of the Rings?
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Like the movie.
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You know it's Christian.
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You know what else?
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is.
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Christian Jesus.
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I'm just saying Anathema over here, is this not true?
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I don't know, I'm speechless.
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Even Jesus told stories.
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Yeah, so did.
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Jesus only deal With bible stories?
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Not true.
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I am, I don't know, I'm speechless.
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Even Jesus told stories.
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Yeah, so did Jesus only deal with Bible stories?
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I just don't Like.
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Why am I going to tell my kid, hey, this is from a pretend person.
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No, you don't say that.
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No, no, I'm not.
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I'm saying like hey, I'm confused, so no you don't say so when your kid, you know, picks up like a stick and is like look, dad, I'm a knight, you're going to go.
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No, you're not.
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It's a stick and you're a kid.
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No, I'm not going to lie to you, you're not a knight.
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Santa is what I'm not understanding.
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Oh boy.
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Like, if I have a daughter and she wants to dress up as a princess, dress up as a princess, I don't care.
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But she's not because you are not.
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Okay, I can explain.
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Specifically.
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What if she wants?
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Yeah, okay.
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Like.
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So what do you do with your kids?
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You say Santa's not real, but here's a gift from Santa.
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No, I don't say there's a gift from Santa, but the idea of Santa isn't a bad thing.
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But we'll go do pictures with Santa, because that's fun.
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If they want pictures with Santa, take pictures with Santa.
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Absolutely no, santa.
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But they will not have gifts, I say from santa, even though I tell them santa's not real right okay, yeah, I'm fine with that yeah of
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course you can take a picture of sam yeah, I'm saying but but it's like it's fun to go get hot chocolate and santa gives you a candy cane and that's where you learn where you're.
