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and welcome back to pastor plex podcast.
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I'm your host, pastor plec, and joining me in studio today is none other than local forensics expert jordan smith.
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How are you doing well.
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Excited to be here, chris.
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Yeah, excited to have you.
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What exactly are you?
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A forensics expert of?
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I don't know you gave me that title.
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Why don't you tell me you work?
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somehow for the police.
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Yes, that makes it forensics to me.
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I do data analytics.
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Pretty much forensics, yep.
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All right.
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So, nicole, welcome back to the show.
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This is Nicole, super Trooper, Trooper, so glad to have you.
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Thank you.
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I was wondering if you were going gonna let it slide without the super trooper part, but you didn't.
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No, I didn't and have you noticed that I, my voice, is not exactly up to normal par and for that I apologize to all the fans out there?
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All right.
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So we're doing a sermon recap and we just finished Jonah going through the book of Jonah.
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Now, we haven't finished the series of Jonah, but we've finished the book of Jonah.
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There's a surprise fifth week in the series of Jonah.
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We're doing Jonah, five weeks and you don't want to miss this week because it'll blow your mind.
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Sunday, february 2nd, 9 am and 1045 am.
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Come on, we'll see you there, yeah.
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So this past week, though, was about forgiveness, and I mentioned the Green River Killer from the 90s.
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A dude named Gary Ridgway killed a slew of people yes, a slew of people Men, women, whoever kind of got in his way.
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This guy was wild, but if you looked at him, he looked like he was an IT guy.
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That's what he looks like.
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What does an IT?
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guy look like.
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White, generic white glasses.
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Brown hair.
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Just sort of looks like he's bored.
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So that's me basically Just no glasses, glasses I have contacts.
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so oh, if you wore glasses, it would look like you and like.
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So you look at this guy and he's in this courtroom and all these people are just.
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I mean, you're an animal.
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I wish you'd have a long, suffering, cruel death.
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You are pure evil.
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I hope you rot in hell for a turn.
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I mean, like it is, they are not messing around, and like they hate him.
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And then this dude, and he got the long white.
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He looks like Santa Claus, literally looks like Santa Claus, and he's got these rainbow suspenders.
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Um, and it was before LGBTQ, so that had nothing to do with that.
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He was just a quirky old dude.
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He was a quirky old dude and just sweetest guy is like Mr Ridgway.
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There are people here who hate you.
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I'm not one of them.
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I forgive you for what you've done.
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You made it difficult to live up to what I believe in, and that is what God says to do, and that's to forgive.
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You are forgiven, sir, and like when he says that, ridgway just starts crying.
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And the thing that's wild is that Robert Rule's daughter, linda, was 16 when she was abducted, raped, murdered, the whole thing, and he's able to forgive this crazy person because of his faith in Jesus.
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All right, because of his faith in Jesus, all right.
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That's so.
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I brought that story up because people always sort of have like um, like I understand that you should forgive, but there's a line.
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There's a line that once you cross it, there's no more forgiveness for you yeah.
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And man, that's tough.
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Yeah.
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And so it's tough when you, you, you encounter people who have had the most cruel, wicked, awful thing done to them and their response is not become the villain and everyone will feel my pain.
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It is to become the hero, to forgive and show amazing grace and absorb the pain.
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Um, just like Jesus absorbed our sin, and so I think we as a, as a culture, I've had a hard time having compassion on sinful people.
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Yes, nicole, tell me about some of the people you have a hard time having compassion for.
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Um, anyone who wrongs me, you will pay a little bit.
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Yeah, vengeance is mine.
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Um, yeah, anyone that wrongs me, uh, I mean the people that that happens the most with are the people closest to you, right?
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So, like my family and um Melanie sometimes I will crush you, hold out.
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Uh well, it's funny.
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It's funny you say that because Adrienne has that same thing with, like Megan, and she'll be like oh, can you believe it?
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And I'll be like what?
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And it'll be like something random.
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I'll be like yeah, it's just like any.
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Any of the like closest people to you are usually the ones that you have the most conflict with, you know, especially when you're, like, co-laboring together in ministry.
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So it just happens.
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I mean, thankfully now Melanie and I have got to a point where we, you know, we can work things out in a healthy way, which is good.
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But that's really good.
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You know, it still happens.
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I mean I'm sure we do get irritated at each other.
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I mean, obviously we do, but yeah, women just hang on to things, yeah.
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It's like next level.
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Yeah, it's different, it's different.
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Okay, yeah, um, what about you, jordan Smith?
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What?
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How do you deal forgiveness?
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Is that an easy thing for you?
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Is that a hard thing for you?
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Is that where is that in the realm of like?
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depends on the person.
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But with family for sure, I think I say I've forgiven them, but I'm so apathetic that I have no desire for a relationship with them.
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So then I questioned does that mean I actually forgive them Cause?
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it's work, that's the word.
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You have to like, do lots of like, getting let down a lot, um, and that's challenging, that's true.
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Yeah, I can agree with that.
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I think you know what One of the times that I feel like the burning anger.
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I've been robbed a couple of times, like someone breaks into my car, steals a laptop.
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Someone broke into my car, stole a wallet.
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Someone broke into my car and then have anything to steal and they just broke into my car and and so that's for some reason that feels like you violated me.
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You know what I mean.
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Yeah.
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And even though it's on a minor, like it wasn't the worst, but it stunk, cause you know I, you know I lost a computer or lost money or credit cards and do the whole thing.
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I had to go call everybody all that, yeah.
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So I think that's for me the, the violation of it.
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But I think the hardest thing is not just, it's the one offs, I think are more forgivable than the continual day in, day out.
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Yes, Punishing of you're hurting me.
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So I have this friend who doesn't go to this church but will remain nameless.
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I do.
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I have friends outside of this church.
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I've known her for a very long time, a very long time, and she has a tendency to be flaky, okay, uh, repeatedly.
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Yeah, like she's habitually flaky.
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And she and I were both invited to this party with a very good friend of ours and it was her 30th birthday and it was a big deal.
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And this friend of ours, whose birthday it was, is a very selfless person and she's actually very quick to forgive, like she is.
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She's amazing.
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And uh, my flaky friend flaked out on this birthday party and I was so angry with her for such a long time like she didn't do anything to me you were angry on her behalf yeah, and like my, my friend you know the saint that she is forgave our other friend about this and she was like it's fine, and I'm like it's not fine, it's not okay.
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she doesn't know that she hurts people, you know, and I just, I mean I, I hung on to that for months.
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Wow, like months.
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What does hanging on to that mean for you?
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I just I thought about it a lot and every time anything with this friend came up, all I could think about was like how she had wronged our other friend and like how dare she?
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You know, I avoided hanging out with her for a while because I was just so upset and I thought a lot about like how I might bring it up to her.
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If I should bring it up to her, how would I do that?
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Yeah, Okay.
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So I think there's a tendency for us and I brought this up is we judge others by their actions and ourselves by our intentions or our sad story.
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You know, like we all, you know here's my story.
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That's really bad.
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So of course you know we deserve the whatever.
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And I can act this way, right.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So therefore I get, I get a pass.
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Um, yeah, so I, I think there there's both sides.
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That's why we resist compassion is because we deserve the mercy mercy for me, but not for for thee.
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But those people definitely deserve justice and that's kind of where we go.
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So we, yeah, we reviewed, uh, jonah and how nineveh repented, and the funny thing is the first line of chapter four is it displeased jonah exceedingly, and which is fine, um, but the funnier part is the actual translation.
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If you read the hebrew is to Jonah it was evil, a great evil, and I thought that was just kind of hilarious, like it wasn't that it just made him sad or mad, it was like this is the worst, yeah, and to be fair, like if, if Hitler gets away with killing 6 million Jews, right, If everyone's like hey.
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He's like hey guys, my bad, I won't do that again.
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And and like he still has all of his wealth, he still has all.
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He, just like you know, hangs up.
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We're sorry Posters all over the place.
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Yeah.
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Um, spends 40 days in prayer and fasting.
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You're kind of like this ah, that would be like that's cool, now like we're cool yeah, yeah no reparations, no time in prison, no 40 lashes.
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Just he humbled himself for 40 days.
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I kind of envy the people who come to religion late in life.
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Yeah, because they're like man y'all got to do whatever you wanted for 80 years.
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And then on your deathbed.
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Congratulations.
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Go to heaven.
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It's like can I, can I have that cheat code, except for except?
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for yeah, I, I mean you might say that right, but I I think sometimes we forget how short our time on earth is I mean I also.
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So I came to christ when I was 17, so I was young, but like, also, like not that young right and the life that I experienced before coming to christ, like sucked, yeah.
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Like if I had had Jesus and still gone through that, that amount of life or even the same things, I think it why it would have been a lot better.
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Sure, um, but like not having Jesus in that, not having known Jesus in those times, like it, that sucked.
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So I couldn't imagine living like that until I was on my deathbed like regardless of what I like got to do.
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You know like life still would have probably sucked I don't think we think about our mortality enough, meaning like there's going to be a time when you are going to be old, nicole, and I don't know how you're going to die, but you're going to go.
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You're going to be old, nicole, and I don't know how you're going to die, but you're going to go.
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You're going to be dead at some point.
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You're going to be like and you're going to be struggling, breathing.
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Thank you for that picture, you're going to feel like you can't hold it together.
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You're going to probably vomit somewhere, and then you're going to die.
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It's very graphic.
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Like that's it.
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And then it's over, yeah, and it's over, yeah, and then all of a sudden you're going to wake up into this broad eternity that never ends, and then you get to reap the benefit of the things that you did on earth that were good, like.
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God will bless that, and that's.
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That's like the jewels, the crowns, the rewards in heaven.
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Whereas a strange concept to me.
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What?
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rewards in heaven.
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Yeah, it's like.
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So what if someone's not the best Christian?
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They're the janitor in heaven exactly yeah.
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No, that's exactly what it is but if you're in heaven, everything's perfect.
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So what does it?
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matter.
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Well, I'd rather be the you know mayor of ten cities than the janitor.
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Maybe that's just pride, but I'm like I'd be way more fun to be managing ten cities.
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I don't know, getting to spend eternity in the presence of God.
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I don't really care what I'm doing, as long as I get to be there, yeah.
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I don't think you will care, and that's the beauty of it, like that's the beauty of heaven is that, like sin, doesn't exist Right.
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So, like the janitor is just as happy being the janitor as the mayor of 10 cities is being the mayor of 10 cities, but he, the mayor of 10 cities, which I be fulfilled, yeah.
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So I think there is, but there is a.
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You'll look back and when you sit down with jesus and he goes, let's do your life review, I want to go have it not look like a oops he just opens book.
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He's like oh, thanks for believing in me, but remember he there.
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There are no tears in heaven, except for the part where he wipes them away, and I'll bet you the wiping the way is like he says he does that in heaven, yep, you wipe every tear away, and so bam that is true yeah, so I could see that during the life review and then or maybe your life review is going to be awesome where he sits down with you and just goes hey way to go.
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Champ.
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Yeah, good job.
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Yeah.
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All these souls you helped save yeah.
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And I think there's a part of that where man I mean the Bible talks about you can get saved, as if by you know, with your works being stubble and hay or your works can be gold and jewels and all that.
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So you know you, you get the fire insurance and barely get across and you're saved and you're a janitor.
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That's great.
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Or you can kind of get to rule and reign.
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Not that being the janitor, you don't get to rule and reign, but you have a much greater, expanded work of ruling and reigning, because I don't think there's any trash in heaven either.
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Yeah, probably not Tu.
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it's probably not a thing there yeah, janitor role is probably not a thing.
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It was just an example, you might.
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I'm not saying it's not even that.
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You're just an npc, right like you're.
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You're a, uh, actual person what's npc stand for?
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A non-playable character come on now.
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Come on now yeah, I don't play video games, but I know the word grayson's a big video gamer too.
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I never would have.
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Yeah, grayson, is I surprised.
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Yeah, he spends a lot of time on video games.
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After he gets off shift he goes in, he goes and chases bad guys and then plays one in a video game.
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It's training, it's all about training.
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He was talking about setting up a treadmill with a computer there that he can just play video games and walk at the same time.
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Should do it.
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That's how I want to do Um.
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Honestly, I like whenever we get into the new building, I like an office with a treadmill so I can do sermon prep and and walk at the same time yeah.
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It's great yeah.
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All right Back to what we were talking about.
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It was evil, a great evil.
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And then, this is the only prayer after the repentance of um of Nineveh, is Jonah going, god, isn't this what I said when I was in my own country, that you're a gracious God, compassionate, merciful, slow to anger, abounding in steadfast love and relenting from disaster?
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And then he's like God, kill me now and then.
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And then God's like do you do well to be angry?
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And he just gives, he just pouts, gives him the silent treatment.
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I just I feel so much connection to jonah in this last chapter specifically because, like, I just feel like I've had the same, the same conversation.
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Like god, how dare you give them what they want?
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pastor has this right?
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Um, not every pastor, but a lot of like because people hurt.
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You say stuff, do stuff, yeah, and it looks like their life is going on perfectly and you're just like, ah, just you wait, god will get them, uh, and then it doesn't happen like that.
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And then, and that's how, and because most people, when they, you know, come to salvation, they get their life together and they're like, oh, my bad, they don't, they don't stick.
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You know, we've I mean out of the hundreds and hundreds and thousands of people that have said I will do anything, I'm going to get my life right.
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I'm like, until next week you will.
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You know what I mean Like that's uh and I I think that's how Jonah's heart was and he's like, looking at these people going there's no way you're going to keep this up and God is going to judge you.
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And they keep it up.
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And that's what that entire generation is saved, legitimately saved, eternally saved, because Jesus says they will rise up at the judgment and condemn at the contemporaries of his hometown.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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So then, well, after he's so angry, god appoints a plant, and then it provides shade for Jonah to save him from discomfort, which I thought was kind of funny.
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First off, I thought it was funny that God appointed a storm, appointed a fish, and then he has to appoint a plant that saves him from his discomfort, and then he appoints a worm, and then he has to appoint a plant that saves him from his discomfort, and then he appoints a worm, and then he points an east wind.
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All for jonah and I, and I think I asked the question of how much more stuff does god have to appoint to come fall apart your life for?
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you to return.
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Yeah, yeah, get it together, yeah um, it's a great moment.
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Have you seen people have a response to God sending storms, fish plants, uh, worms and wind into their life?
