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278: Pastor Plek and Leah Brown are joined by Corey Tabor on this special episode of Pastor Plek's Podcast. Corey is a UT alumnus turned church planter and Pro-Life advocate. His unexpected journey from the UT campus to the front lines of advocacy offers a fresh perspective on abstinence and the cultural shift away from premarital sex, challenging the status quo with empowering choices rooted in covenantal relationships.
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00:02 - Corey Tabor and Pro-Life Advocacy
08:05 - Meeting at Convention and Pro-Life Activism
11:14 - Impact of Planned Parenthood and Discipling
19:41 - Church's Role in Discipleship and Abortion
29:16 - Supporting Pregnant Women in Church
Speaker 1:
All right, welcome back to Pastreplex Podcast. I'm your host, Pastor Plec, and joining me in the studio is none other than Mrs Leah Brown. Very exciting day for us.
Speaker 2:
Happy to be here.
Speaker 1:
And then none other than Senor Corey Tabor. I'm so excited about having you on. I can't wait for everyone to find out all about your life and what you do.
Speaker 3:
I'm glad to be here. Thanks so much for having me, yeah let's just jump right in that.
Speaker 1:
A couple of weeks ago, what's a couple of weeks ago, a month ago, about a month ago. I was in the recent past. I had lunch with Corey and he is now with a ministry called Carenet Is that right? Yes, and was sort of like talking to me all about like the pro-life advocacy that you're kind of doing and then really trying to get churches involved, and I was, as you told your story and kind of revealed all the things. I was like man, this is something we need to talk about because I don't think it ever gets talked about, and so I want to do a kind of overview of just the whole Corey Tabor who you are, because you're kind of an amazing person. I first met you back in the day when you were a church planner here in Wells Branch at the library.
Speaker 3:
Yes, Up the street, up the street Off the surrender. Yeah, it was so great.
Speaker 1:
So talk to me, let's just go real quick into like your church planning days, your ministry days and kind of where you're at now, and then, of course, like the broader picture will get to that.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, well, I grew up in Abilene yeah, I'm very Christian town and God called me to Austin to go to the University of Texas, oh wow. And I was told by my counselor that I would probably fall away from Jesus. I met guys in a Christian fraternity that I joined. I joined the gospel choir, met my wife and fell in love with Jesus even more.
Speaker 1:
Amen. Wow, that is sort of a shocking thing. You know, there have been times where we've you know, if our children were like maybe they go to UT and then all the time they're just like, but they won't be Christian if that happens.
Speaker 3:
And it's so crazy. There's so many Christian organizations there, so many people walking with Jesus, proof positive. That's wrong.
Speaker 2:
They told me the same thing about not UT but a state school. Gosh, I'm all the better for you.
Speaker 1:
Well, yeah, the usually the Christian school is Texas A&M. Although it's not, it's still a state school.
Speaker 3:
All right, anyway, all right.
Speaker 1:
So there you were, at UT, you graduate, you made it Christian.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, get out of there. And I started doing college ministry within a varsity Christian fellowship. So we planted a ministry to African American students at UT and it grew to like 130 students of four years, which was 10% of the black student population. Wow. And then I left. There went on staff at Greater Monsignan. Well, there's only 1300 students black students yeah, about 1500 black students at the time. Out of how many students 50,000 undergrad, about 67,000 total.
Speaker 1:
So it's only less than 5%. Wow, less than 5%, man, that's a big deal, yeah, which is not okay, yeah, wow.
Speaker 3:
So I went on staff at Greater Monsignan as a maturity and ministry pastor and my job was discipleship, adult ministries, membership missions all the four bases of the purpose driven model. Yeah, did that for five years and then we left and we planted full life. Community church met in a home for a year and then we started meeting in the library here in Wells Branch. So we did that for nine years. Nine years and while I was working, while I was pastoring, I was bivocationally working at Austin Life Care with the pregnancy resource center here, directing their sex and character education program. So we were seeing 20,000 students a year in primarily public schools teaching how to delay sexual activity until marriage and I learned how much students wanted to wait. I learned how much the pregnancy center.
Speaker 1:
Wait, wait. Say that again because I think that just they how much they wanted to wait you explain that.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, you would be surprised how many students would come up to us after the presentation and say you're the first person that told me that I could wait until I got married to have sex.
Speaker 1:
That's bonkers yeah, like, so no one had ever told them that and I guess it's not shocking, right? I mean, it's like for all your Instagram and for all everything that just you know. Everyone needs to have sex faster.
Speaker 2:
Hollywood's telling you that everybody is going to do it no matter what, so there's no point in trying to wait. Yeah, okay, and they're getting married.
Speaker 3:
You have to have sex before you get married.
Speaker 1:
Right, test, drive out the car. Yeah, all that Because as a swimmer or a man or property.
Speaker 3:
They were so enamored with the sociological benefits of waiting, the psychological benefits of waiting, obviously, the financial benefits of waiting.
Speaker 1:
They're just so many. Throw a couple of those stats out of it, if you can remember.
Speaker 3:
Well, I mean, the research shows that people who cohabitate prior to marriage, their divorce rates are almost double. Wow, so that's one part.
Speaker 1:
Did they ever say why, or just? That's just the facts. No one knows.
Speaker 3:
Well, I think a lot of it is. The relationship is built on a lack of commitment, Right? I mean you're basically saying I won't commit to you, I create a false commitment with you. And then, if things aren't the way I want it to be, I can leave whenever I want to.
Speaker 1:
I always call that contractual relationship, like I'll sign the contract, meaning the lease, and my relationship is as good as you keep providing my joy and happiness, and when that runs out, we're done. And so you move from a contractual relationship to a covenantal relationship where there is no out and people feel stuck Right and then, because the other person's not, performing like they used to Exactly, and the reality is people change.
Speaker 3:
Life happens, and that's why the commitment of covenant is so significant, because it gives you the creativity to find out how to work around all of the challenges that come with being committed to somebody for life.
Speaker 1:
Wow, that's wild.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, but over 50% like 56% of students are choosing to delay sexual activity in high school. So Obviously earlier on in high school they're delayed more than they are maybe later in high school. But the research still shows, and and that's from the CDC Wow.
Speaker 1:
Well, cdc can at least get one thing right.
Speaker 3:
So, while doing that, got connected to the pregnancy center, and then we closed our church in 2019, yeah, and we started attending celebration central Yep here in Austin and I've been working with a number of ministries, including apartment life. Mm-hmm was doing my own life coaching, speaking, consulting and heard that care net was looking for a Regional director of church engagement in Texas, which would bring together my passion for the church, my passion for the life issue, and I started doing that a couple years ago, and that's why I do now tell us about care net.
Speaker 2:
Who are they? What do they do?
Speaker 3:
So care net, we're a national faith-based nonprofit. We have over 1200 in almost 1,250 affiliates that are connected to us pregnancy centers that provide compassion, hope and help to clients who are Experiencing pregnancies, and I tell people all the time our goal is not only for them to choose life for their unborn child, but for them to choose abundant life for their family, and so it's more than just have a baby. It's we want them to grow into being disciples of Christ, and so since 2008, we've seen over a million babies saved Wow and pregnancy centers connected to care net and over two million people have heard the gospel Wow, that's incredible and responded. So I mean, I'm getting reports now from pregnancy centers. I got one yesterday from a gap a here in Round Rock and they saw over 200 people come to Christ this year, like literally, people sharing the gospel, people responding to the gospel, over 40% increase in number of clients, pregnancy tests offered, and so, from a free pregnancy test or free sonogram to maternity clothes, baby clothes, diapers, wipes, formula, birth in classes, parenting classes All of that is offered for free at pregnancy centers all over our state and all over our nation.
Speaker 1:
All right. So I know that you and Leah know each other from pro-life things? Yes, Because you're a board member of my right.
Speaker 2:
I am a board member. Yeah, the Texas Alliance for Life, which is a pro-life advocacy right, not the same thing to turn it, but and.
Speaker 3:
I know Corey because he used to be a board member got it Okay, and I saw when I was a board member she was on staff. I was on staff, yeah.
Speaker 2:
Which I didn't know when we actually met. So we met at the Republican State Convention. I think, this was in 2013, right before the 2014 cycle, and I'm with my group or do we have this table where advocate, we're doing legislative advocacy, we're doing all this stuff, and there's this guy who's just kind of hanging around and I'm wondering, is this some kind of spy? Literally, that's what's in my mind. They we have a spy. He's following us. Nobody had given us the memo that you were like a brand new board member, certified yesterday, and that you were at the convention and that you were getting like your feet wet and it was funny. And finally, somebody told me that I think we were at a Mexican, casa Garcia or something like that, yeah, oh, wow. Oh, he's with us. Yes, I was, and then I got to know you and, wow, great guy to have with us.
Speaker 3:
She even named her kid after me.
Speaker 2:
Yours after me, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:
I have a, I have a Naya close enough.
Speaker 1:
You were option to, but you went straight for Corey for your first born, so that's a big deal.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, well, I thought I would have a boy and he would be a Calvin. But when I was disappointed and God gave me a female, you can't say that. All right.
Speaker 1:
Okay, good creep.
Speaker 3:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
All right. So the one thing I remember, because this is like pro life month, january- yes, this past Sunday was sanctity of human life Sunday.
Speaker 2:
The March for life was in DC over the weekend.
Speaker 1:
Okay, and the thing that I remember is I was it 10 years ago when you made that video. Do you know what video I'm talking about? Of course, and it was like we're gonna end Roe v Wade or something in our generation. And I remember when Sadrin was a part of it and I remember going oh, that's such a pipe dream. I mean I was just like. It reminded me. The exact feeling I had was Before I went to war. We went to this, we were gonna all jump out of an airplane. The Colonel goes we are the first round of the president's gun and I was like we're never going to war and what that video came, I was like we're never gonna see the end of Roe v Wade in our generation. What a hopeless cause. And then, boom, it happened. I can't believe I mean that's wild to me.
Speaker 2:
I don't think anyone believed it would happen. That's why that video was so viral.
Speaker 1:
I mean it went everywhere. It's really successful.
Speaker 2:
Well, I'm here to tell you that I believed it, I 100% believed it.
Speaker 1:
That's where my credit for that.
Speaker 2:
I mean, I don't get any credit for overturning row, but but man, my heart was in it, I did believe it. But then when it actually happened last year, I sobbed and I couldn't believe it. So you know, it's kind of big deal, huge deal, huge deal.
Speaker 1:
All right. So, corey, so you've been in this movement to reverse Roe v Wade for a long, long time. Tell me about, like, how did you get into pro-life movement?
Speaker 3:
Working at the pregnancy center, I really wasn't aware that pregnancy centers were helping people who were considering abortion. I thought they were just. They are helping people who were pregnant and needed help, right. So I didn't know about the abortion issue. I hadn't learned.
Speaker 1:
I didn't grow up hearing about the abortion involved.
Speaker 3:
I would say I was in my Early 30s, okay.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, my early 30s.
Speaker 3:
So and so I watched the video as a part of my training. Called my offer 21, mafa. 21 it means genocide in Swahili. Oh wow, and it's a video about the history of Abortion in America, particularly targeting the African-American community lay it on us. I don't think very, very few people know. Yeah, so it talks about the history of Planned Parenthood. It's founding by Margaret Sanger and how she and was basically looking to control the black Population, because she considered us to be feeble minded and Uncapable, incapable of advancing the society. And so there was partnerships with churches, which blew my mind. They had sermon competitions who could preach the best population control sermon? They would get a stipend from Planned Parenthood. You saw politicians who were pro-life, who became pro-choice in order to be able to try to get elected, and so when I saw this video, I was like, oh my gosh, this is a strategy that has eliminated a generation of people, and I think about how much voting power the black community wants to have, right, and if they that we have eliminated, right?
Speaker 1:
Yeah, just killed them off.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, and and so I was shocked. I was just like, wow, I can't believe this. And then when I learned, like 70% of Planned Parenthoods are in black and brown communities. They positioned themselves to where the minority population tends to be. You know we have one right here in Austin, across the street from Houston Tillett's in university.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, okay. When you tell people that Planned Parenthood was founded on this Basis of wanting to eliminate the black population and that that's still their strategy, do you see that effectively change hearts?
Speaker 3:
No, most people don't believe it. They don't believe it. Oh yeah, Most people don't believe like you made that up. Yeah, because they believe what they're told by Planned Parenthood about what their purpose is and about they're here to help people and I'm not saying that there's not anything they do that can be helpful, right, but the majority of what the services that they provide are abortion focused, you know, and so since Roe was overturned in Texas, they can't legally offer abortions in Texas, but they can refer people to other states. They can help transport people to other states, they can refer people to the abortion pill, which is now over 50% of abortions are occurring in people's homes, and you can get that through the mail. Yeah you can order that through the mail. Yeah, I mean. So. The issue we have now and this is why I'm so passionate about what I'm doing is that Roe's been overturned. Abortion is illegal in a number of states.
Speaker 2:
You say illegal in a number of states? Yes, illegal. Yeah, you know how many things 26, 20 so pretty much right down the middle like half or Pro life states and half are pro death states or pro choice.
Speaker 3:
Yeah but the challenge is abortion continues, because Laws can make abortion illegal, but only Christ, through his church, can make it unthinkable. Yeah, talk, talk about that. So the key now is that I think we didn't think as a movement strategically about the fact that, once the choice went back to states, had we discipled the church to understand the gospel on this issue, because when four out of ten women and five out of ten men research shows us we're attending church once a month when they had the first abortion, it lets you know that abortion is an issue in the church, not just outside of the church, and so Not only are abortions happening within the church, but many people have adopted a cultural perspective on abortion that's not a biblical perspective on abortion, and so we have Christians sitting in churches that are voting for referendums that are for abortion, because in their mind they've adopted a view, whether it be that God gives everybody a choice or you can't Make somebody do something they don't want to do with their body, whatever their mindset is, other than the biblical understanding that we have. The God values life, that God Formed us in our mother's womb, knew us before we were formed in our mother's womb, and really that as believers who are called to fulfill the great commission and the great commandment. Now, you can't love your neighbor as yourself if you murder your neighbor. And for a mother her neighbors are close, the closest neighbor to her is her baby. And you can't make disciples of all nations if you eliminate your family, which is your first disciple in the community.
Speaker 1:
I love that One of the things I talk about a lot is that you know, when we're made in the image of God, god is placing his image all over the earth, kind of like. I always kind of get your tag and this is my part of the earth, that is my representative of me there, and when you eliminate, you were saying I am God of that area. I'm removing the tag, I'm removing the image of God here so that you see the eye rule, and I think that is exactly what abortion is. That's exactly kind of what murder in general is, because you're now taking the place of God. Okay, wow, all right. So how much success and clearly we've seen success happen because Roe v Wade has been overturned but how much heart change have you been able to see?
Speaker 3:
That's the work. That's the work we're in now is how do we help churches, pastors and leaders make a decision to say we're going to speak about this issue through the gospel and we're gonna let people in our church know what's gonna happen if a woman in our church experiences a pregnancy?
Speaker 2:
And so this is the role that you took when you went to Caranet right. As a church outreach director.
Speaker 3:
Yes, I'm the regional director of church engagement for Texas. So we have somebody on the West Coast, midwest, southeast Texas gets its own person because we have a few churches here in Texas, and so we have a resource we created called Making Life Disciples. It's a 12-session resource designed to help equip the church to be aware of the abortion vulnerable in the church, to understand the resources that are available for post-abortive individuals, but also be equipped to know how to support a client who's coming from the Pregnancy Center. So Pregnancy Center's offer short-term support.
Speaker 2:
A triage A year.
Speaker 3:
yeah, triage yeah, definitely A year, year and a half in all the things that I mentioned, that Pregnancy Center's offer. But a woman and a family who chooses life is gonna need relationships, they're gonna need mentors, they're gonna need the gospel, they're gonna need to be discipled, and so we're trying to create churches that we know are safe places for folks when they leave the Pregnancy Center to step into, and people are gonna judge them because they considered abortion. They're not gonna judge them because they've had an abortion. They're gonna provide healing through the resources where we have and then, more than anything, they're gonna see the church be the hands and feet of Jesus.
Speaker 1:
Mm, so talk to me how a church could be a, I mean, and this is where. I don't wanna be too flippant, but I think for the most part every church would say we accept all people.
Speaker 2:
How can a church specifically you might wanna qualify that statement Well, yeah but, like I mean because we'd say all are welcome, right, come on.
Speaker 1:
But how can a church be specifically welcoming to those that are with an unplanned pregnancy? Like it could be a place where, like I feel comfortable sending someone with an unplanned pregnancy to Wells Branch Community Church or whatever it should. What are the markers you're looking for? Or is there something specific?
Speaker 3:
Yeah, I mean one. We're looking for people who love unconditionally A church. That's again not gonna be judgmental, not gonna browbeat people. I tell pastors all the time if you're gonna mention abortion you have to mention grace and forgiveness. Like you can't get up and preach a sermon about abortion and then not say the balance of you got the truth but then you got the grace side of it. God forgives, you can receive healing. You need to go through healing. That's good and that God can redeem this situation for good. Also, places that disciple people. You know it's funny when I come to many churches and I ask what are the methods you have in place to make disciples? A lot of churches in America have learned how to gather people. They've learned how to have a great worship experience, but they don't know how to intentionally disciple people, and so that's how you get to the place where we are now, where more people in the church than not are pro-choice.
Speaker 1:
Right, because they've evangelized the saved people to go like listen you don't really know Right, right.
Speaker 3:
Or you can't force your belief system when you're religion on someone. And then they bring up all of the exceptions to. What about cases of rape and incest, which are 1% of the cases? But more than that, it's like. As believers, we should believe that God is sovereign and that God can take a bad situation and make something good out of it. I mean, we have examples like Ron Bomberger, who's the founder and creative director of the Radiance Foundation, conceived and raped, raised by a beautiful family that adopted him. Now he's adopted two children himself.
Speaker 2:
He was a speaker at the dinner. Yeah, he's awesome. He's amazing.
Speaker 3:
I mean and he's just one of many people that I know who. That's been the experience and I tell people all the time everybody who's pro-choice is alive, somebody let them live.
Speaker 2:
Hey Corey, can you speak to kind of the more hot button nuanced debate of today? You know there's that Kate Cox case out of, I think, fort Worth and she had a price. She was pregnant with a baby who had trisomy 18. And so she wanted to get an abortion. I think around 18 weeks or so I might be getting some of those details a little bit off and the courts would not allow her to get an abortion. She ultimately ended up going out of state to get that abortion, which is tragic. But now I'm hearing Christians. They're coming and they're asking me well, don't you think that we should just not pick those battles? Like, if a woman wants to get an abortion, I mean that's just so tragic, that's just so hard for her to have to carry a pregnancy to term where the baby is inevitably, in 99.9% of cases, going to die before birth or in her arms shortly after. Shouldn't we just back off on that? What do you think the church has to say about issues like that?
Speaker 3:
Well, the first thing about that situation was she said I want to abort so I can have more children, as if carrying this child was going to lower her chances of having children, which is not.
Speaker 1:
Right, not true we have? Was she afraid like I'm wasting time here If I carry this?
Speaker 3:
child. No, no, it wasn't a time where she acted as if this child could cause her reproductive system not to work properly.
Speaker 2:
She's trying to make a health exception claim which allows for a very, very, very small sliver Like life of the mother, like severe but her life was not at risk. No, but she was trying to claim that it was. So if the wife of the mother is at risk, then a person can experience an abortion here A pro-life person would never say that a mother must die, although if it were me, I would happily die for a baby to live. But that's not what we, the pro-life position, doesn't. There's a huge misconception out there. That's why I'm saying this, where people think well, it's not pro-life to make a mother die so that she could have a baby. Well, first of all, a baby is almost never required to be aborted to save the life of a mother. That's almost absolutely never necessary. But also, pro-life people are pro-life of mother and life of baby and would never sacrifice one.
Speaker 1:
One for the other. Okay, yeah, wow. So in cases like that, how is the church supposed to respond to that?
Speaker 3:
First of all, to love the mother and to say we care about you. We don't want you to have to go through the pain of aborting this child. I think many people don't understand the impact that abortion has on a mother or a father. People assume well, if I can get rid of this baby, I will end the problem. Right. But it creates a different problem, because there's nothing in human nature, or really in nature in general, that says it's natural to eliminate your offspring, right? That doesn't make natural sense. And so what happens is the psychological effects, the emotional effects, the spiritual effects of ending the life of a Because if we were just matter, meaning like, you know material, you know carbon-based life forms clumps of cells, clumps of cells, then you should have no problem, just, you know, eradicating a clump of cells.
Speaker 1:
but because there is something I think there is Obviously because there is something spiritual, because there is something Connected that's greater than you, when you kill that off, there's a that that takes an act of the will of murder which you experience right?
Speaker 3:
Yes, you experience that and and you know the research and the work we're doing in abortion recovery. I'm a carenet. We have a resource called forgiven, a set free women, one called reclaiming fatherhood from yeah and you're seeing Years of impacts that people are having. They're like I don't know why I'm dealing with depression. I don't know why I deal with anxiety. I don't know why, as a man, I'm angry all the time. Right. And it's an abortion that was facilitated when they were 17, 18 years old and they never saw forgiveness nor healing for that and any, any trauma that's not dealt with is going to have a ripple effect. Dr Tony Evans talks about just the, the connection of the life that's in the blood, and you read all about that sacrifice through. Yeah, you know, pass over. And he said could it be that the reason we have such high murder rates in America is because we don't value life at the beginning of life and so we spiritually, psychologically and subconsciously don't value life after life? No other country deals with the level of murder, particularly gun murder, as America, and I don't know many countries that abort as many babies as America.
Speaker 1:
So yeah could there? Be a connection. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah, I don't even know what to say that I think about that. I'm like that is just such an extreme stat that we abort more babies in a other, like this percentage, wise or total number or what. Where is that?
Speaker 3:
Per capita. Yeah, I'm statistically like it. In New York state right now, new York City in particular, more babies are aborted than born and they just passed a lot of provide free.
Speaker 1:
Like you're saying stuff to me that sort of blows my mind like I would never think in New York state more babies are murdered than are allowed to.
Speaker 3:
Give be birthed. Yeah, I mean New York. They're mayor just had a major press conference. They released their new abortion care services were for free. You can get any service you need to make sure an abortion can happen. Call this line from seven in the morning till nine at night and we're facilitating that. Transportation cost whatever it takes to make it happen. Yeah and that's being promoted in churches. Oh yeah being promoted in healthcare communities, and so, again, the big focus that we have to have now, as Believers, is getting the church on the right page with this. Yeah cuz, even with the referendums that are being passed in our country, talks about some of the reference. There's a number of referendums that have been out, you know, because now Roe v Wade has allowed these issues to go back to the state. Right, they put it to the voters and they say, hey, do we as a state want to legalize abortion or eliminate abortion legally? And More Christians are voting for abortion than not, and so if Christians stood on the side of life, many of these referendums wouldn't make it.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, abortion is being made legal through referendum in states that you would never expect, like Kentucky, how they have a very pro-life legislature. They had pro-life books on the laws before, but once Roe was overturned they put a referendum on the ballot that the people would vote on individually and it passed by with flying colors. And so now abortion is Made almost in stone in Kentucky legal crazy, like that's just from the perspective of somebody who helped write a lot of the pro-life laws Abortion bans that are in place in Texas currently. That is not the post-Roe future that we envisioned.
Speaker 3:
Yes, and the challenge is again we weren't prepared as a movement for Roe to be overturned right, because to be prepared we needed to make sure that through democracy, we had people in our churches that were Pro-life right, billy-klee pro-life right, politically pro-life right, biblically pro-life Right.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, Wow, okay, so all right. So how? So? How are you? One things you're doing right now is you're connecting with churches. You're, you're, you're going. You met with me, we had lunch and that was awesome, and so are you looking to meet with more pastors. Are you looking to kind of consolidate like a month, like January? Hey, let's all jump on the same page here. What's the next step for churches to get involved and like what? What are you? What are you wanting to do?
Speaker 3:
Yeah, so definitely. I want to meet with pastors to help them understand their role in this, but also help their churches create life teams within their church that are trained and equipped to support these clients. What if a Church says from the front if a woman experiences on playing pregnancy in our church, we will not judge her? Yeah we will not condemn her. Yeah, a boy. Pregnancy is not a sin. Right, how she experienced the pregnancy may have happened in sin, but being pregnant is not a sin.
Speaker 2:
It was a.
Speaker 3:
God gift, yep. So we're gonna love her, we're gonna support her, we're gonna throw a baby shower. Yeah, these are the things that happen and that be communicated in the culture of the church. But then also that team is equipped where, when that said, you're almost positively gonna have somebody come up and say 15 years ago I had an abortion. Yeah, ten years ago I had an abortion. Now, with the abortion pill and people experiencing abortions in their homes, often they seek healing immediately. Right, because it's so much more traumatic to see a fetus in your bathroom. Then it is to go through a procedure where you're asleep the whole time. So that's a whole nother part of what's happening with the abortion pill.
Speaker 1:
So the this is where I make it is the abortion. Are you able to get that in Texas?
Speaker 3:
Yes, you can listen what. We had a pregnancy center that did the research. They went online To one of the sites where you can just type in abortion pills and then they said they were 15 years old. They ordered the abortion pills. There's two pills that Lower than level of progesterone, designed to keep the fetus from attaching to the lining of the uterus, and then there are two pills that cause it to go into contraction and allow the how the pastor baby. It shows up on the credit card bill as a bottle of cologne, so a parent wouldn't even know if their kid had. And then when the package arrived in a very nondescript package, it's just the four pills, no instructions. Know what to do if you hemorrhage. Know what to do. Know information about what to do if you have all the negative side effects that could happen as a result of this. It's just-.
Speaker 2:
Which there are many. Yes, if you look at the stats from the Texas, the Department of State Health Services in Texas, there are a lot more complications with the abortion pill than there are from even like a DNC.
Speaker 1:
So this is wild. So this seems to me like that. I guess the fight has just started.
Speaker 2:
if there's a way to put that, yes, yeah, in a way, roe v Wade definitely tied the hands of legislatures. Where legislatures were unable to pass laws that effectively protected life in the womb.
Speaker 1:
Oh interesting.
Speaker 2:
So, with Roe v Wade overturned, now, legislatures are allowed to pass laws that protect life in the womb, but that's not happening. In a lot of states, they're passing laws that make abortion legal up until the day of birth. No, that's about half the state, though, and then you have.
Speaker 3:
I mean, the thing that a lot of people aren't communicating is there is an abortion pill reversal abortion, reversal pill that can be taken within the first 48 to 72 hours. It's just a high level of progesterone that reverses that process of that fetus not being able to attach. So we've got pregnancy centers that are equipped to provide that. But we got to get the word out and tell people hey, if this is something you did and you regret it, because many people immediately say, ah, I shouldn't have did- this they can get connected to a pregnancy center and get the abortion pill reversal.
Speaker 1:
So where are the pregnancy centers that, if local to us, we're out here and we're in Wells Branch in North Austin, where will we go?
Speaker 3:
Is there a website that says like here go to Agape, here go to wherever the yeah, so on Carenet's website, carenet, carenetorg all of the centers that are affiliated with Carenet are on that website. We've got Heart of Texas, which is off of Cameron and 290. We have Agape and Round Rock. It is Flugerville Pregnancy Research.
Speaker 1:
Flugerville.
Speaker 3:
Pregnancy. It's called Radiance yeah, radiance, which is right here, and so all of those are centers that we know the standard of care is right. Correct this whole concept of fake clinics. We make sure that our pregnancy centers aren't doing things that fake clinics will do.
Speaker 1:
Okay, I know this has been going back to the moral issue. When people are, their battle is you can't legislate morality, how do you kind of show them that that's not true?
Speaker 2:
Culture is almost always downstream of policy, right. So, and then that was the basis behind legal activism and it is the basis behind legal activism now You're passing like take the abortion, the issue of abortion aside, look at the issues of, like, child general mutilation, also known as trans surgery. It's like those laws are being passed and it's being made legal and then it's being available and you're seeing a culture, huge shift because it's been made legal or been made illegal, Right, but I say that you laws can affect morality.
Speaker 1:
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 3:
Like, people don't murder at the level they would murder if murder was not illegal. Right, that's a great point. I don't speed the way I would speed if I knew a ticket wasn't available, nice, I don't drive drunk not that I would drive drunk, but we know there's a penalty for that, right. And I think what people don't understand as well is that, even with the abortion issue, the woman is not gonna be charged. Right, these are the professionals providing if you wanna call them professionals providing the abortion. Those are the people that are charged, the people that are facilitating it. I mean so every morning we pray as a team, our national team, we pray for three pregnancy centers and we pray for three abortion clinics.
Speaker 1:
Oh nice.
Speaker 3:
And we pray for these abortion workers to find other work. We pray that God would close these clinics so that people aren't having to make that choice because it's when it's available. It makes it that much harder to make the decision and we have, you know, ministries like and then there were none with Abby Johnson, where they've seen hundreds of people leave the abortion industry, find work using their same skills To save people on such a scale. Yes, and they're getting healed from the work that they were participating in because that's the thing we don't understand too. We are, through abortion, also involving people through their work in eliminating life.
Speaker 1:
And that has an impact as well. And I also would say, like what's wild is if you step away from the Bible and you're gonna declare a law right. You're gonna enter into mob rule if you're not careful, and I think everyone would say, well, mob rule is bad. But the reality of what happens when you have no governing book, no something that says this is how God designed us to kind of to base every law off of, then you're making your own morality and I think that, ultimately, is a dangerous thing. Okay, so what's the next step? So let's find out. How can people get ahold of you. They wanna get online care-netorg and they wanna start volunteering at a pregnancy resource center a great place to go be care-netorg.
Speaker 3:
Yes.
Speaker 1:
Okay, and where can we find out more about you, corey? Like we wanna know like your whole life story. Like where are we gonna find the Corey Tabor story?
Speaker 3:
Well, you can go to my website quarritaberscom. I have one that focuses on my speaking quarritaberspeakscom Couple of the books that I've written that are available there. Also, I would love to come to churches and speak about this issue. Being a pastor, I was able to preach about it. I did a sermon in 2015, 16, during Black History Month, called Black Lives Matter in the womb oh nice, and I talked about the issue of abortion in the Black community from a biblical perspective.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, how'd that go?
Speaker 3:
Connected it to what was happening with Moses in Egypt. Ooh, and my church was split down the middle from a political perspective. But we understood God's heart on this issue and I think the key for the church in general is to not make people address the issue to just from a political perspective, but to address it from a biblical perspective, that there are Christians who vote Democratic and there are Christians who vote Republican. But the key is Jesus is king. Jesus is king of kings and Lord of lords. So how do we submit our lives to him and allow him to rule? So I would love to come and speak at the church, enter church, come talk with your leaders, let me come and preach and then you can discuss it afterwards. That's the.
Speaker 1:
Thing.
Speaker 3:
And that's the beauty of having been called to preach, like within this ministry model, I still have an opportunity to use that gift to speak about God's heart for life. And then we'd love to get people trained, because the more equipped they are, most churches have no idea what a pregnancy center does. They have no idea what an abortion is, how it happens, and so that's what our resources are designed to do is to help them get a better understanding so they can serve their community better.
Speaker 1:
And all those resources, like the stats, are all at caratashnetorg.
Speaker 3:
Yes, you can find many of the stats there. All of our research that we've done in partnership with LifeWay is there, and the resources that we have available to train churches all there on our church blog and everything Awesome, Lee any other thoughts?
Speaker 2:
Thanks for joining us, Corey.
Speaker 1:
No problem. Thank you all for having me. Yeah, hey, listen, if you have any questions, we'll bring Corey back. If you've got questions for him related to abortion, the pro-life movement and what we can do as followers of Christ, we would love to have your questions. Even if you're like I believe abortion's legal or should be legal, we'd love to wrestle with that and we bring Corey to kind of help answer those questions. 737-231-0605, where you can text us over to wwwpastorplechcom From our house to yours. Have an awesome week, great, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sorry I can't now. Sorry, psychologist.
