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267: Pastor Plek, Tony Nelson, and Nicole Troup talk about what it means to live above reproach and how to carry that out actively in your life.
Faith, Culture, and Everything in Between.
Scripture References:
1 Peter 3:16, Acts 25:7, 1 Timothy 3, 1 Corinthians 11:1
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Speaker 1:
And welcome back to Past Reflex podcast. So glad all of you are joining us as we are recording live here from Austin, texas, and with me in the studio, none other than Tony Nelson. Welcome back to the show, tony.
Speaker 2:
Hey LoLolo, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1:
And Nicole, super Trooper. Troop, so glad that you are here. Whoop, whoop, alright. Yeah, that's a lot of excitement. No, Alright, so Two whoops, yeah two whoops, not quite a Texas A&M style, but and you're not an Aggie, so that makes me more wow. Alright, but we're going to get to the question that's come up I think before and I don't know if we actually ever answered it, but Tony, the one that's come up, a lot for you of what does it look like to live above reproach, and where have you seen this question come up?
Speaker 2:
Well, you asked me the last time I was on the podcast.
Speaker 1:
That's right.
Speaker 2:
Pretty directly and we completely ignored it. Yeah, but we have seen this question come up just in normal interaction with people In a lot of context actually in a lot of context, and so I think this is an important one, because there are a lot of situations that men and women will find themselves in where they are not living in a way that's above reproach and it causes a lot of problems. And so when I, as an example, I look at 1st Timothy 3, where it says, therefore, an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, and it continues on and on, the question I had for some of the men around me was what do they think above reproach meant yeah, and it was wild the answers that I got. What did you get? Okay, so some of the answers were I haven't written down, I can go verify it just a second. But some of them were like if somebody wants to insult you, that you don't let it affect you or offend you, and I was like no, so interesting so that you're above being offended. Yeah, yeah things like that They'd take it that direction.
Speaker 1:
Oh my wow.
Speaker 2:
So it was interesting and I was like, okay, well, if men don't understand what in the world living above reproach means, it's going to be real hard to walk it out as just a general concept. And so this is why I thought it would be good for us to circle back around and talk about this, because there's a lot of areas of our lives that we can easily be reproachable in and figuring out. How do you set up boundaries, how do you set up standards in your life, the bumper rails, if you will, so that you don't begin to veer off into territory.
Speaker 1:
Well, it might be helpful. I know this might be overly simplifying it, yeah, but what can you define reproach? Sure, so I would use.
Speaker 2:
That's helpful, yeah. So reproach as an example would be shame. Or how about criticism? Yeah, those would be what reproach are. So being above reproach is to be blameless.
Speaker 1:
Blameless. Yeah, as an example, You're a person that is you can't reproach because there's nothing to reproach you about.
Speaker 2:
Correct.
Speaker 1:
Not because, like I'm just so, I'm just above it, yeah.
Speaker 2:
So, you know, I would, as an example, point to a couple of verses in scripture that kind of talk about that as maybe the biblical definition of how this is being used. And so the two places I would turn to as kind of proof points for how this is being used is 1 Peter 3, 16, where it says having good conscience, so that when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. Right, so if we're slandered for bad things, that we're doing rightfully so. But I think there's an element of when slander comes our way not if it does, but when it does that it should have no foothold in our lives, right? Or you could even go to Acts 25, 7, where it talks about we need to arrive. The Jews who had come down from Jerusalem stood around him bringing many and serious charges against him that they could not prove. And so just kind of taking those two verses out of context for a second, but without going into the full scope of what those verses are really dealing with, just the idea of when people bring things to you does it have? If they brought an accusation or criticism, would they be able to find fault? in my behavior, I think, is a good kind of litmus test, if you will. And so what I wanted to ask you both is just how should men operate their lives so that they do live above reproach, like what would constitute living above reproach?
Speaker 1:
I think what's hard about that is, if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in it. So it can't be that you don't sin, can't be that, so it has to be that you are living in a repentant life, so that when there is things brought up, you address it immediately.
Speaker 3:
I think that becomes the most that look like tangibly, though, to live a repent life, yeah.
Speaker 1:
This is where you know, within our this. I think our church might be a little bit unique in this, and whenever you say unique, that's sometimes code for cultish, but I don't want to be that but rather Confession and repentance looks like I Confess my sins to the royal priesthood of believers, meaning like another man in my life, and then they pray the gospel over me, because confession to God is forgiveness, confession To another plus prayer is healing, and so that becomes so. I think the beyond reproach is that there is. If someone were to bring up something and they were right, like Chris, you're flippant, or you were, what you said to whomever was just awful. And if I had a group of people around me like, yeah, we all knew about that, that to me says beyond reproach, because that means my sins are not On, they're not aware, and that's not something I'm dealing with now. I don't. So I think they're talking about a in infor in first to me three. I think it's more of a civic Minded. Like you are a person that's upstanding, you don't take bribes, you don't, you're not engaged in Unethical behavior. But I think unethical behavior can also be. There's the the public unethical behavior and then the personal unethical behavior and they mix sometimes, and I think that's why it's important to have People who know the private stuff as well as the public stuff.
Speaker 2:
And then you're in confession, repentance about all that yeah, I mean this is not a biblical definition, but I'll kind of share. My opinion about this is that when we're talking about living above reproach, I think that it what this really is alluding to is you kind of talked about the, the moral stance of it or the ethical stance, but being able to have my sinful habits or things that I'm doing under control enough or repentant enough, such that it doesn't cause people to look at me and go I can't emulate you, model my life after following you, right, right, because if you look at first Corinthians 111, it's as be imitators of me as I am of Christ, and if people can't look at my life and genuinely say I could follow that, right. Then I'm living in a life that is not above reproach. There's something that's ethically off base.
Speaker 1:
So like let's just go. Let's go to a non, like I don't say it's a serious one, but like your person's, like hey, I'll be at that thing, oh, I couldn't make it because of whatever, whatever right, I think there's that you know that drive, and especially in our culture, that would definitely make you a flaky person, which makes you not beyond reproach correct.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I would go back to scripture and say let your yes be s, let your no be no. If you're not gonna make it to something, just say it.
Speaker 1:
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:
It's okay to say no, right, it's perfectly fine to say no. Or if you can't make it due to circumstances, be honorable enough to tell the person right yeah. I mean, there are things like that. To where, to your point, if somebody were to say, oh gosh, I don't know. I'll use an example of something that recently happened. So we as a group had gathered some money for somebody who was going through a hardship pretty recently. And as we're gathering this cash from various people, I told my wife, I said you know what we need to do? We need to keep everyone up to date on the total amount that is gathered and the exact date when this is going to be delivered, because I never want anybody to be able to come up and say, you know what? I wonder if Tony's pocketing any of that money.
Speaker 1:
Oh, yeah, oh, that's man, I didn't even think yeah.
Speaker 2:
Right and so just think of it as….
Speaker 3:
I mean how?
Speaker 1:
many times do people like I wouldn't even think about that.
Speaker 2:
But of course, sure well, they give me the benefit of the doubt, which I appreciate and I would say you probably should do. But on the other side, the reason that that kind of perspective can continue to maintain is that I'll live my life in a way that's deserving of that benefit of the doubt in the first place. So they don't have to wonder am I going to do something behind the scenes and fiddle with the numbers a little bit, right? Am I going to skim a little off the top?
Speaker 1:
Right.
Speaker 2:
Because I'll be real transparent about. Here's the total, here's exactly how much is going to be delivered on this exact date, and full transparency on this stuff. That's so good, I think… there's things like that.
Speaker 1:
One of the reasons why I don't know finances here at the church is for that purpose, so that there can never be like a thing of favoritism, right, and you can be frustrated in some ways because you have no idea about a lot of stuff. But if somebody wants to, like, give money to the church, I just in general say, hey, don't give it to me, go put it in the box, I don't want to have to… I'll touch it, I don't want to mess with that. Thankfully we deal in electronic transactions and even checks, so for the most part you're kind of safe these days.
Speaker 2:
But back in the olden days you know, like here's 300 bucks.
Speaker 1:
You're like I don't want to call…. That's sort of a wild deal and the non-reproach, I think also….
Speaker 3:
We were talking about this in discipleship last week. Really, yes. We didn't frame it this way, but I think it definitely applies here. Is that like Leo was talking about? Like there are some people who think that, oh, I would never be tempted to cheat on my husband, or I would never be tempted to steal money from the church, and her point in this conversation that we were having was that, like always, always think that you're capable….
Speaker 1:
Everybody has a price.
Speaker 3:
Right, always think that you're capable of any kind of sin, and I think that is how you live. Above approach is like you take measures like would you ever be tempted to steal somebody's money? Like probably not. Like you're having the foresight to like put that, like be transparent about it, like you're probably not going to do that, and that's why people are giving you the benefit of the doubt. But you're humble enough to know that… Totally possible. It is totally possible, oh yeah, and you're reasonable enough to put things in place so that people know that that's not happening and so that people can hold you accountable.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 3:
And it's the same way with like church finances, like how many times have you heard of a pastor embezzling money from his church? Or the church secretary embezzling money from the church.
Speaker 2:
You know like.
Speaker 3:
I never count alone. Dave Sheffield reconciles our bank statements every month and so does our bookkeeper. So there are like two or three different sets of eyes on everything that we do financially, because I don't want… Like, I have a very large responsibility in handling the church's money and I don't want to ever be in a place where I feel like I can take anything.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, you know, what we also do here is we have men and women and we don't… like married men, don't ride in a car alone with a single woman or married to somebody else. Woman yeah, we go in groups of three. Somebody's always present. Because it's just weird. You have no idea what emotional intimacy can be built over a car ride. Oh yeah, it's just beyond reproach. It means I don't even want to have people thinking like we're at a restaurant, oh, you must be on a date, oh yeah, you know, whatever that… even if it's just… it could be a complete business meeting. For the most part, we're not… we stay far from as much as possible. In fact, there was one time, I think one of the ladies here had to give me a ride home and I was like, oh, I felt so weird about it and I call Adrian on the way. I was like, hey, I'm just waiting to know. I'm in the car and we're driving and just letting you know the whole time. I just want to stay on the phone with you, not because I thought anything was going to happen in a literal like one and a half mile drive, but it was… I think the wisdom there is. I don't ever want to put myself in a position where someone could accuse me of something like that.
Speaker 2:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
Because that… you know, especially as a pastor, when you kind of… you're dealing with people's most intimate, vulnerable moments and if you're sort of shady on that, it can be a little bit challenging yeah.
Speaker 2:
It's a huge protection barrier for you as well, yeah, oh for sure. Being willing to say…. And I know I've had this conversation with women where they're like I don't understand why you're making this such a big deal, Like it's just a couple of blocks down the road. Can you give me a ride? And I'm like not, unless we have a third person. And some of this is because it's not that I am concerned about what she will do, necessarily, but it is a protective measure to say if she were ever to say an accusation of like Tony… Touched me, mm-hmm, in the car ride, yep, right, having a third person there to be able to confirm or deny is a huge benefit To me and to anybody else. Right, right, and so it's like there, there's just a To me, that is what it means to be able to live above approach, yeah, is is being able to say when an accusation like that comes around, people would hear it and go Doesn't just, it doesn't match up with the character, right, that we've seen. Right, so you talked about having that perspective. I would never cheat on my spouse. So I mentioned that Jessica and I had an affair 30 days into marriage Bileford vorce, all that stuff, right. So we fought through that came in, yeah, yeah you stayed married. Stayed married, yep, so March will be 14 years. So we've so we obviously worked through that figured out how to, how to let God completely transform that. But in the process of that I had a very prideful heart back in the day of thinking I'm a dude that's built on loyalty. How could she have done this to me? I would never do something like that to her, but I grew up as a guy that had a tremendous amount of female friends a lot a lot of female friends I've got nothing wrong with that. I'm a step on people's toes in just a second. But I. Got my first engineer engineering job coming out of college right, and it was a was one where I was traveling out to client sites and I was paired with a sales lady. She's a great lady. I've worked with her at several companies and we traveled out and there's just a lot of relationships that get built when you're traveling. Of course, no big deal. Lot of inside jokes too. And this is where it kind of opened my eyes to ooh, anybody is susceptible right, yeah so we got home I Say home. We got back to the office one day and on Fridays we pulled together the team and inside of my office and we'd have beer, water, energy drinks, whatever you wanted to have, just sitting kind of share about how the week went. And she told a joke that didn't land with anybody but I start snickering because it was something that we had experienced on the travels together. And she goes. I knew none of you guys would get it, but Tony gets it because he's my work husband Donned on me. It dawned on me that I was like, oh my gosh, I may not have any relationship like ties and connections that way, but I have allowed myself to get close enough to right that. She developed it. She felt comfortable enough saying that kind of thing in front of a group of people Knowing full well that I'm married. Yeah and, and it's like, ooh, okay. So Ultimately, this is what it pointed to was that I had allowed myself to give Relational capital to another woman yeah, instead of my wife, yeah, such that she could build up enough Confidence to say something like that. That's from the bolt right from the fullness of her heart, she could say something like that yeah and I think nothing of it, really think nothing of it. Now, what was wild was that woman eventually got married and eventually there was an affair that happened in their marriage and then we were the couple that they came to. That's why and we got to walk them through that restorative process. That's how you fight through this, yeah, but one of the things you got to work on is you got to correct some things. Yeah right, and it was just, it was just wild to see it, but it that's an example of like so many times where we might say this is no big deal, right it's. It's not any big deal until it is yeah, it's never heard.
Speaker 3:
I've heard from friends of mine who have husbands who have had emotional affairs, oh yeah, with other women and how like that's almost more harmful than if they had just had sex with another woman you know, and. At first I didn't really I didn't really understand that, but like hearing you describe this, it makes a lot of sense. Like You're taking, like that, that emotional relationship, that emotional equity, relational equity that you should be giving to your wife, you're stealing from her and giving to another woman that you're not in a covenantal relationship with and that, like there that is, that is a crossing of a line, yeah, yeah, like you're saying, yeah, that that is powerful and I think that is that's exact.
Speaker 1:
The reason why we have those specific rules is because, again, you're dealing when you're at church I'm just saying church staff for a second. Yeah, absolutely, you're dealing with affairs, the heart, people, stuff. Yes, it's not just numbers and finances, although that can go Intimate real quickly because, like, did you get that? That's what I got to you know, you know that the me too, me too, like though the me too's over overtake somebody, and then next thing, you know they're, they're down a path they never intended to be. Yeah, that's powerful, all right, so. So so when you, when you have this conversation I appreciate that you said, like what does it mean to live beyond reproach? And they're like, don't you don't take criticism, like let's go back to that initial question. And so what are the other things in your life, tony, that have gotten it? And maybe this the direction you were initially thinking to go, to live beyond reproach? How do we do that? I, you got some safeguards of my life Coming around opposite sex, but there and there's financial Guards that we have, and when dealing, I just really appreciate what you said about just kind of even taking money. And what other things are we having to sort of be concerned about when it comes to living beyond reproach?
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I'll share with you. A couple of others just pulled up my notes here. One of them said avoiding anything that could potentially be offensive to others.
Speaker 1:
Hmm, I Wow, okay, hold on. That's kind of I mean potentially offensive. What does that even mean?
Speaker 2:
Well, I can understand, in some capacities, not doing something because it could potentially be offensive. Right, Because, like I said, many things are not a problem until they are a problem. Right, and so a lot of these things that you and I are avoiding or I guess the three of us are avoiding are the potential problems, not actual problems. Right, Because we're doing things to safeguard against the possible, not the actual. And so I get that. But in this case, when we're talking about doing anything that could potentially cause another person to be offended, I think that can veer off into areas where you might not want to tell a person the truth because it might offend them.
Speaker 1:
Or live. Like you know, this gets into, like you know, pronouns and you know, viewpoints and I don't want to go political on that, but I think you can kind of get. You can go all sorts of direction and the very truth, the gospel, is offensive and so and it might be what they're saying is like don't be intentionally rude, and that's my sure.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, yeah, and I would agree with that right. Another one was that you should walk your Christian life in such a way that you rise above anything that comes your way. That was another one.
Speaker 3:
What does that mean?
Speaker 2:
That's a great question. Yeah, that gets back to you know, Don't?
Speaker 1:
let criticism get you down. Rise above it, rise above Be beyond reproach. You were so awesome and you look at all these other nitwits around you that you were just superior to anything they might have to say. There's a part of that where it's like Taylor Swift, shake it off, kind of moment, but it's also like don't get any feedback from people, and I think that can be dangerous. That's sort of fun. That's a fun response to that.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, I think, I think there's a healthy balance to that Like. In some ways, the like Taylor Swift shake it off is the right mentality and in other ways it's not, like you can't live that way all the time, you know, like completely disregarding someone's feedback because then you're not able to take correction or whatever you know, and so sure?
Speaker 2:
Well, okay, well, let me ask you this what if the feedback that they're giving you is off base? Yeah, is off base, like legitimately off, bitch is completely off.
Speaker 3:
I mean, if someone said that to me, I would probably have a conversation like why, like? Where are you getting this from? Like, why, like? Why do you think this? What have I done or said to make you like? Give me this feedback?
Speaker 1:
Gosh, that's a hard one. Because, like would you give it validity If someone said something ridiculous?
Speaker 3:
I mean, I want to hear where they're coming from first. Maybe where they're coming from is ridiculous, and then we can have a conversation about, maybe, what they actually really feel.
Speaker 1:
Right.
Speaker 3:
Instead of what they're saying.
Speaker 1:
They feel so yeah, like when someone says something, there's a there's a what's the underlying issue that you're presenting? This? Whatever?
Speaker 3:
Yeah, Because sometimes I feel like people when they're giving you feedback, they try to be. They beat around the bush.
Speaker 1:
Okay.
Speaker 3:
Especially in the South. Like nobody is direct here, what?
Speaker 1:
Except for Tony Nelson.
Speaker 2:
Except for Tony.
Speaker 3:
You're from a different part of Texas. I guess, so that is always the image of like Southern hospitality that I've had my whole life.
Speaker 2:
Is it? Nobody is direct. You know, bless your heart, you're right, which really means we all know what it means now, because it's in the open. But like but yeah.
Speaker 3:
So I don't know. I would always want to get to the root of what someone's like really actually trying to say, and if it is ridiculous I'll just be like, well, that's ridiculous yeah.
Speaker 1:
I think that's fair, because I do think you don't want to just write people off because they might be seeing a blind spot at the same time, and that's why community is so important. Like, hey, someone said this do you see that? And asking those questions on the regular man, that's hard. You know what is it like to be on the other side of me? That's a question.
Speaker 3:
Oh, last year at a we did the Hill Country Week of Fasting or whatever yeah. We were the questions that we had to ask each other. Like what's it like to be on the other side of working with me.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, oh, it was very insightful. Yeah, what did you get from? What did I say to you? I don't remember what I said to you or what you said to me. I remember what Melanie said to me. Oh, what's she saying?
Speaker 3:
Melanie told me that my mood tends to influence a room.
Speaker 2:
Oh, wow, yeah, Now is that meant as a positive or a negative?
Speaker 3:
It can go both ways. That's true, it can go both ways. Yeah, it is Okay.
Speaker 2:
Well, when she said it, did she mean it as a positive or a negative thing?
Speaker 3:
She said it can go both ways. She said and she was just saying that to tell me to really be aware of what you're bringing in with you when you're in a meeting, because if you're in a sour mood it's going to muddle the mood of the entire thing.
Speaker 1:
But if you're Well, that was really insightful. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3:
If you're joyful and content, it's going to reflect on the environment, a meeting environment that we're in. Yeah, it truly was both. Yeah, that's fair, yeah.
Speaker 1:
What's it like to be on the other side of me in the off, here at the On the other side of you? Yeah, I would love to know that.
Speaker 3:
You want this on record? Yeah, yeah, it's a, it's a battle, sometimes A battle.
Speaker 1:
Give me what's the battle.
Speaker 3:
You are a charismatic and inspiring leader and you're very easy to follow, and sometimes you can be very difficult to work with because you are literally all over the place all the time. Okay, that's fair, yeah.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 3:
It's hard to keep up with you.
Speaker 1:
Well, you gotta run faster, you gotta run faster.
Speaker 3:
Here. Some people just aren't made that way.
Speaker 1:
I kind of think of myself as a happy fun ball.
Speaker 3:
You're a bouncy ball. Yeah, I am. I use that metaphor all the time because it perfectly describes who you are.
Speaker 1:
I use that a lot with my wife and she does not. No, I think she agrees with it. She doesn't appreciate it. I think it's kind of where that comes from.
Speaker 3:
Yeah.
Speaker 1:
Oh, that's wild. Okay, yeah, I think that's probably very true. I appreciate that You're welcome. You know I could probably grow in that area of being easier to follow. Yeah Well, I think we all have a lot of issues there.
Speaker 3:
You know, like yesterday, during our Melanie and I were meeting with you, and you have this wonderful idea that you want to share with her. But we're in the middle of a meeting and you're like, let's go to the worship center right now. And she was like can we finish this meeting? She did a great job of handling me.
Speaker 1:
I was like I had a moment of inspiration. I was like this is awesome. And then I got to show her like 10 minutes later but yeah, I did appreciate that she goes. No, you can't show me that now. We're still in this meeting.
Speaker 3:
I was like yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, she kept you on track, but she's still allowed room for you to like share your idea with her.
Speaker 1:
Because I have a lot of fun ideas.
Speaker 3:
The fun is debatable, but yeah, you have a lot of ideas.
Speaker 1:
That's fair. That's fair, tony. Do you ever get those kind of questions? Do you ever ask that of others, like, what's it like to be on this side of you? I do, do ask that. What response did you get?
Speaker 2:
Well, I asked this frequently enough because I'm constantly trying to figure out where my blind spots are and where I can operate in my strengths rather than weaknesses. I have a tendency to do that, but it's also nice to get an update on me just every once in a while, because you do change.
Speaker 1:
You do more over time.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, exactly Right. So I am a very different person now than I was when I first came to the church.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I'm very way more direct than you've become more diplomatic over time.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I took the perspective Like back then I was the person that said I don't care what the truth is, I just want to know what the truth was Right, which is how I came into just looking at everything very critically of Christianity, of any kind of formal religion.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, that was good.
Speaker 2:
I was like I don't care what it is, I just need to know the truth. But you better bring some evidence to prove that this is true if I'm going to follow this thing.
Speaker 1:
It was great.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, I was very supportive of. Somebody needs to tell you the truth, because clearly nobody in your life is, and this is going to hurt your feelings and I don't care. You need this.
Speaker 1:
You need this, you need this, and you know what's wild about that, I think at least. Okay. How about this? The people that appreciated it stuck to you and those that didn't didn't.
Speaker 2:
I didn't care. Yeah, you didn't care.
Speaker 1:
And you didn't care. But in general they kind of made their way out. But a lot of people are, like you know, tonyites and they love that methodology and I think there's a real sweetness to it once you can get past the directness.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, Well, there's also like a softening of things right Over time, because that non-Christian perspective was. I didn't care about the damage, I was doing. Now I find it to be more important that I wound you as a friend but that you know it's being done out of love and compassion. I'm also far less prone to do it publicly. Isn't there a proverb about that? Yes, yes, I'm far less prone to do it in front of a group of people, whereas before I didn't mind calling you out on stuff in front of people because everyone needed to know. Now I think it's important that you know, but that needs to be done in private Right More of the confronting. So there is a compassionate side, an appropriate way to do things right. That was a learning curve that I had to have over time. That's good, but that was one of them Probably the biggest one. To answer your question that I got last time is that it can be hard to relate to me because I think too fast for a lot of people. Here's what I mean. If somebody asked me a question that they are struggling with, or if I were to ask them a question, they need a little bit of time to think, whereas if somebody asked me a question, I pretty quickly am able to articulate a response because I've made it a habit to think about what I think about. I think thoughts and I sit down and I have time to just think, which is not a normal habit for most people.
Speaker 1:
A lot of people are outlaw processors.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, they're outlaw processors, but I would also say they don't give themselves a time to process. You know, when we had the conversation with Katie here, this is her time to process. What she didn't recognize is I have a separate time to process. And so I'll process there, and then, when I come back here, a lot of my stuff has already been prethought.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, what he's talking about is a couple podcasts ago. He goes did you just think about this plan, that what you're going to say? And he's like, yeah, yeah, I did. I think about what I think about and I think that I appreciate that and I think more of us can do. And again, I think this is where a lot of us in our time with the Lord and now I'm going a different direction but in your time with the Lord, that's where you can mend out a lot of the stuff you're processing in life, and a lot of my own ecclesiastical or intellectual or just theological viewpoints are are needed out in the time alone with God, because I do process a lot of that. And I think that comes with just time alone with him, and I need that.
Speaker 2:
So yeah, okay, well, that's awesome.
Speaker 1:
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