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and welcome back to pastor plex podcast.
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We are live right now, uh, and joining me in the studio is none other cody sparks, the cody sparks band.
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We can't actually see him but we're here though.
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Yeah, we're here uh and then we also have holl from Eastside Community Church Greetings, and he is here.
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And then the woman who does not have a zit on her forehead no, I'm alive, it is Adrian joining us with a burn mark on her forehead.
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Do not judge her, that would be.
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We couldn't handle that.
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How's the head, adrian?
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It's just a little burned.
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You know, I got a little burn right where you would think that there would be a zit, but don't worry, there's only a few wrinkles.
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Is it like worse to have a zit than to have like a burn?
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Yeah, oh yeah, a zit's worse than a burn.
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Does that say like you don't take care of yourself?
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A burn's just like an accident to anyone.
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That's right.
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Zit probably means that you have personal problems.
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Still brave of you to come here today, though.
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Yeah, you really, you know.
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Holland did recommend you wear a hat and you said no, I'm just going full burn.
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I'm just going to be proud, okay, well, you guys listen, we were sitting here talking about what we were actually going to talk about and the, the audience, the live studio audience all called out we want to hear about the executive order that donald trump just signed about the two gender status.
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Um holland, can you give us a quick review of what he just signed and what that means?
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so donald trump is now the president of the united states?
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He is now the president.
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Yes, and he started off signing a bunch of executive orders, did he do?
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this at the Capital One building.
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Is that where he started signing stuff, or was that today?
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Yesterday.
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At the Capital One arena.
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He was just signing up a storm.
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No, I don't think he was at the arena.
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Because I saw him have a desk there so I assumed it would be.
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I consumed a lot of information yesterday.
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Did I consumed a lot of information yesterday.
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Did you consume about?
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Did he go back to the Oval Office or something?
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I saw him in the Oval Office with a bunch of executive orders oh nice.
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No, I believe he did it also, like you said, live in front of however many thousands of people.
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He did do it live on his way out of the inauguration.
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Yeah, because it seemed like a huge waste of a Donald Trump moment, because he knows how to capture like.
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Here's the one executive order you've been waiting for me to sign.
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So he did do that and I just I don't know about it being in front of the arena.
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Live executive order signings is pretty cool.
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Yeah, it is very awesome, Like you can go, I was there, okay, so what was the executive order?
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on gender.
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So here's one of them.
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Yeah, starts off.
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I'm just going to read some of it and it says uh, section one purpose.
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Across the country, ideologues who deny the biological reality of sex have increasingly used legal and other socially coercive means to permit men to self-identify as women and gain access to intimate single sex, single sex spaces and activities designed for women, from women's domestic abuse shelters to women's workplace showers.
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This is wrong.
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Efforts to eradicate the biological reality of sex fundamentally attack women by depriving them of their dignity, safety and well-being.
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The erasure of sex in language and policy has a corrosive impact not just on women but on the validity of the entire American system.
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Okay, and then he goes on talking for a little while and then he starts.
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It gets into section two, policy and definitions.
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Okay, here's what I think is really interesting.
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Okay, here we go.
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He's going to define, you know, woman and man and male and female and sex and gender and stuff.
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But in the definition, you know, everyone knew this part was coming too.
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He said he was going to do this, but in the definition he actually defines personhood as beginning at conception.
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Oh, wow, which is so like the in terms of like, uh, not just impacting transgender stuff, but also the abortion issue.
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Sure, because, um, what some people would say is like, okay, you can say life begins at conception.
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Sure, that's a human life, but it doesn't have personhood until and that's where you, you know a person is someone who has constitutional rights and hasn't trump like sort of backed off the abortion thing?
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yes, and now this seems like a reversal and it's like full charge, a thousand percent.
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Or do you think he knew what he was doing?
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I have no idea.
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Yeah, but it's uh, it's not a explicit, you know.
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So, like he backed off in the— when you could get an abortion, what's it called?
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Yes, he basically said—I'm trying to think of the name for it.
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It's online, it's where they give—.
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Is it late-term abortions or early-term?
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No, no, no.
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I'm talking about where they list out their policies, their party platform, platform, party platform.
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So in the Republican Party platform, the one that he made last year, it was way less detailed, way more brief and it basically just said like we're against late term abortions, right.
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So he backed off big time and no one really knew where he was going to go.
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And this isn't like an explicit, like recanting of that.
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It's actually just something embedded implicitly in an anti-transgender deal.
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So what he said, what it says here, is like um, female means a person belonging at conception to the sex that produces the large reproductive cell and male means a person belonging at conception to the sex that produces the small reproductive cell.
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So defining male and female based on sex from conception and calling that a person, even at conception, so I think that's huge.
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That is huge, your thoughts.
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Yeah, the reason why I think that's huge is because now you could argue the reason why—now, granted, this is an executive order and so I don't necessarily think it holds the weight of law, but, um, it does go the right direction.
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I think the only part that's problematic with executive orders is everybody knows that can be reversed in four years or whenever someone is no longer in office.
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And the other problem with it it's not a law, but it is going the right direction.
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It is giving a definition that the that the government is going to go by, because all the other insanity definitions that that Biden gave over the past four years on gender was like you know, there is no.
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You can mark X for neutral or whatever you want.
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Not X is like X, y or whatever, but it's it's.
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You can mark whatever you wanted for a gender, and that was a legally accepted document, whereas now you cannot.
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It's either male or female.
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And I think that's a positive thing for truth, not just for Christianity, although I'm obviously for Christianity, I'm for all that but I just think for society as a whole to have to believe in science again, which I think is sort of wild to say, but like, kind of like, say it's not a feeling, that is your sex, it's an actual reality.
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Yeah, when he stood up and said like there will only be two genders now and everyone cheered you're like whoa, how crazy did things get that.
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People are cheering for that statement, right.
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Which is like one of the most basic you know.
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Yeah, A hundred years ago, if someone said there is only male and female, everyone been like.
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Right, yeah, like okay, what else but for that to be like the roar of the crowd moment?
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What else but for that to be like the roar of the crowd moment, adrian, as for you as a woman, let's hear from your perspective of like, how that makes you feel as a lady over there who doesn't have to worry about men in your bathrooms.
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Have you had to worry about men in your bathrooms?
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You know I have not, which is nice, but I've been really grateful not to have a daughter during all this.
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This seems like a good direction, that we're going right, and here's the other thing I feel I will.
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Let me just talk about what has been on my mind because you know how the algorithm of facebook works yeah, facebook works.
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Yeah, so, like all of my, liberal ACU graduate friends were not ever like.
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They were never in my newsfeed until yesterday and then now my whole newsfeed is them and they are sending condolences.
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I was trying to look up one, but they're they're, they're.
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They're sending condolences to everyone who feels hopeless now, who feels that hate has won, and that's that's.
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That's the verbiage is like we're so sorry that hate has won, intolerance has won, we're so sorry for this world.
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And they're apologizing on behalf of somebody for two to a demographic of unspecified that they don't actually know them.
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Right, or maybe they do know some people who are feeling hurt, and then and then the theology behind their, their consolation, is to let love fill, you know, let belief is enough.
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Believes that the loves of seeds of God will multiply.
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Let belief is enough.
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Believes that the loves of seeds of God will multiply.
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And it's like they're trying to create some hope that maybe God might be sufficient for the hatred that seems seemingly permeating and it's everywhere.
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And then, on top of that, of course, they're doing what they've always done, which is take certain little bitty things out of context and blow them up, and and that's irritating and, I guess, to be expected.
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But I think what I have been most, what is so significant to me is when you tell the world there are two genders male, female for that to be?
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should we say the word gender?
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I mean, is that giving a nod to the weirdo that made up the term gender, two sexes?
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But maybe, maybe we were.
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Just we're so beyond that now because that that word was made up in the 50sies.
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Okay, sex, sorry, and I don't mean to make that a big deal, but, like, is that a nod to what's his name that invented the term and his crazy sex tests?
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Because you know about that, well, the only reason we watched what is a woman, right?
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Yeah, and that's where I learned from that, that it was the.
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The term gender was coined in the fifties and and so we just sort of all adopted it, which then brought this thing to, which was sort of helpful in some ways, like what gender are you?
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You know cause I, whenever I saw sex back when I was growing up in the eighties sex I would write yes, and I think I was so funny and then, but then now it became it's very revealing.
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Yeah, you know, like you know you're eight years old.
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You think you're the funniest person ever.
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Like, you know what?
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Yeah, sex, yes, please.
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So like um, so but so that's the usefulness of gender is to prevent that eight-year-olds from that particular situation okay I see that's probably the only place I can see it.
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It really is helpful.
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But I don't want to give another nod to the, to the guy that came up with the gender ideology and and start calling it that.
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But I'm not.
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I don't want to be over the top either.
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I'm just wondering if that's a thing.
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Yeah, good question.
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Listen, I don't know.
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So we can just call it.
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We can call it sex.
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Call it sex.
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No-transcript is so interesting to me because of the same okay, on the other side of the same coin you have those same people parenting right, this gentle parenting that says my child should have no boundaries and like let's let the children decide what they're like.
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When you let the child be the decision maker and the leader of themselves, you have a very unhappy child and you can go anywhere in the general public, would you say this is where the suicide stuff comes from.
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Absolutely, because kids are like kids are not.
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They don't know, they only know what they've been taught, what they've been told.
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And so being told that your gender is fluid, being told that you're in the car, you're in the driver's seat Anyone that's raised kids knows this like I.
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Mean, we've had our battles with food at our house, right, people don't want to eat the food that we're giving them, like every kid probably, but so what's the most natural?
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holland's house.
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They eat everything.
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They're told right they do the holland's house is superior my kids are always obedient with happy hearts and they never cause any trouble that's why.
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That's why we had to have you part-time.
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Can't do full-time, yet it feels a little too convicting.
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Um, so part of like it's natural as a parent to be like we just need them to eat food, like they need protein, they need food.
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This will help all of their problems.
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They'll stop crying, they'll feel better, they'll probably sleep better.
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So you get to a point where it feels like the most, the most reasonable, loving thing you can do is to be like what would you like?
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Here are your choices, here are the options.
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What, what would what?
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If you could have any food today, what would it be?
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Let's work with you.
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Let's put you in the lead, let's put you as the leader.
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Let's let's know, and then and then we start negotiating, which we're still doing this at our house and I sometimes make this mistake of going, hey, what do you want to eat?
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And I'm like, oh crap, that was the dumbest thing I could have ever said.
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I should have said you're eating pancakes, or you're eating sausage, or here's an egg.
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And I fall into that because I treat only ask a, a question if every answer is something you actually want to do.
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Right, right, right, there you go.
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But it doesn't.
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The child isn't happy making the choice for themselves, because the minute that they say, oh, I want pancakes, you give them pancakes.
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Well, they don't want those pancakes or they don't want them cut that way, or they don't want that shape, or they don't want that temperature.
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I mean, it's not because the shape, the temperature, the cutting, it's not because those things are a problem.
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It's because the child is torn between feeling this authority, that that is, that is more than they can handle, and feeling and like they're kind of at war internally over the the, the power that they've been given.
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And any child that's given too much power and too much authority isn't is unhappy.
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They're unhappy children.
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And so the fact that we are saying as a nation, here's some boundaries what we know from parenting is boundaries create contentment, they create.
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A child with two Christmas presents, I guarantee you, is more content than the child with 20 on Christmas morning, because there's probably some parenting that goes behind that, that teaches some foundational truths and some contentment.
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Because it's not the variety, it's not the options, it's not the power that creates the contentment, and I think so.
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I think what's so, what's so mind blowing to me is that there's Christians out there that feel as though giving the humanity an infinite amount of choices is actually the more loving approach, and it's also the approach that will lead to more satisfied, like healthy, happy people, like, like, how ignorant are we?
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How have we gotten to this point where that feels true?
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Yeah, yeah.
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It doesn't.
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It doesn't even make sense Like go to Disney world, you don't see.
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You don't see more pissed off kids than you do at Disney World.
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There are no angrier kids, it's the happiest place on earth, adrienne.
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It was like we wanted to make a film the whole time we were there.
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It was just tantrum after tantrum, after tantrum and it's like you could go to like Georgetown Blue Hole.
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Okay, there's very few tantrums, it's just like it's free.
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There's rocks, there's dirt.
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And we make a lot of great games of throwing rocks and skipping rocks.
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It's like children that are given too much.
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There's just such and not to say Disney World's bad.
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Who cares?
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I mean I'll go, I don't care to go but people day long.
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It's just it there's.
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There's a very normal phenomenon that happens when children are given too much power, unless they're parented by the gregs.
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Yeah, okay, all right, I I gotta tell you guys something.
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I don't actually have perfect children.
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No, no, he does they came to our house and they did nothing wrong and lizzie was so sweet and was like act like an adult the whole time she does want to come on the podcast soon, though, oh I would love to have Lizzie Tell her welcome anytime.
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Chris might have told Austin that that's the kind of girl you want to marry someday.
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Yeah, there you go.
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I was like Lizzie, is quality right there?
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She's true.
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You might need to start creating some boundaries.
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Boundaries are good.
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I'm pro boundaries, Adrienne.
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All right back to what we were talking about.
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No, I want to hear what Helen was talking about.
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Yeah, what About what?
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Your kids?
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Oh, about my kids.
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I think I was just saying that I don't have perfect kids because you guys keep making this joke and the podcast listeners need to understand.
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They know you, I mean, they recognize you on sight.
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What?
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do you think about kids that have too much options, too much authority, too much excessive?
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Yeah, I think boundaries are good, boundaries are healthy with the eating stuff.
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You know, when my kids say I don't like that, I say, well, that's.
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You know we're going to work on that.
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You know you should be able to.
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I talk about how Jesus sent his disciples out and he told them to go two by two to the different houses.
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What did he say?
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Eat, whatever is set before you.
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Boom oh.
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Do you use that Bible verse with that?
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Oh yeah.
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Eat whatever's set before you.
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You know what Sometimes following Jesus means eating a meal that you don't really like.
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But you're going to be respectful to your host, and so we're going to train you as children, man, and we want to teach you to have good food.
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So, like I'm a hundred percent.
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That is wild, that's I mean unless you're in Mexico and there's ants and such what was that, unless you're in Mexico, you ate ants.
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Yeah, I don't do mission strips anymore, I'm retired.
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Yeah, exactly, so I think.
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Uh, you know that idea, that philosophy.
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I see the connection you're making, adrian, between, like, the gentle parenting approach and the, you know, total liberal kind of mindset approach toward gender and stuff like that.
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It's just like all rules are oppressive.
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That's the common denominator.
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Rules are oppressive.
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Rules are bad.
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Rules are bad.
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They hurt you, they hold you back.
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Rules are oppressive.
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Rules are bad.
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Rules are bad.
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They hurt you, they hold you back, whereas you know the the bible is really clear that, like rules, um god's rules lead to blessing.
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Whatever he commands, he blesses his law leads to life, right, obviously, you cannot find justification and salvation from his law, but, as christians, god's law points us in the direction of life and blessing and abundance and goodness.
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And so, um to say there are only two genders, only two sexes, whatever, male and female?
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Um, some people, there's a group of people that hear that and sound.
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It sounds oppressive to them, and what they don't realize is that that the the reason it sounds oppressive is they've adopted an approach that, um, god's rules are hurtful and oppressive to you, whereas in reality, god's rules are going to lead you to happiness, joy, peace, safety.