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Pastor Plek, Cody Sparks, and Machine Gun Nick take over the podcast mics this week to talk about Sunday's sermon over parenting and the Ten Commandments. They also couldn't help but bring up Michigan's recent victory over Washington in the College Football National Championship. Tune is as they dissect player strategies and seamlessly transition into a vibrant conversation about the age-old guidance of the Ten Commandments, with a deep dive into the intricate act of honoring our parents.
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00:06 - Exodus and Honoring Parents
13:31 - Exploring Purity Culture and Parental Guidance
19:13 - Parenting, Communication, and Healing
31:02 - Machine Gun Nick's Next Move
Speaker 1:
Welcome back to pastor plex podcast. I'm so glad all of you are joining us live here. Uh the day after uh the Michigan Wolverines defeated Washington Huskies uh in a decent game uh last night. And we're not just going to talk about uh football, we're going to talk about uh Exodus. But before we get in, we have a Michigan Wolverine fan here in studio with us today, none other than machine gun Nick go blue.
Speaker 2:
Oh, there just went the speakers. Oh man, you know listen someone's pumped up, yeah, cody.
Speaker 1:
Cody Cody from the Cody Sparks band. Uh, tell us about how you feel about his enthusiasm.
Speaker 2:
It's fine. See my hat. No, I took my other hat off, nevermind, uh, it's fine. I I'm a rangers fan, so I feel him it's good. Yeah, do you even remember last time?
Speaker 3:
Michigan, everyone, I know exactly, they're like, they're like 93 and I was like, was like Desmond Howard or 96 or 96. Yeah, I was like in high school.
Speaker 2:
Oh yeah, I forgot your old. Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, so, um, how did you Cody? How'd you feel about UT's performance against Washington?
Speaker 2:
Uh oh, p junior was on fire and clearly that wasn't the same quarterback last night that played Texas.
Speaker 1:
So he's referring to Pennix, by the way. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:
Uh, it's one of those deals where that always happens, where everybody plays lights out against Texas, and then he was just average. He was average. Yeah, I was like man his. It seems like his draft stock just went down a little bit. Yeah, last week he was like number one pick easy, yeah. And then this week you're like oh, or was Michigan that good?
Speaker 1:
Michigan could have been that good. Uh, they ran. They just ran the ball all over Washington.
Speaker 2:
Correct and I even said on last week I was sitting there and I was like man when Alabama and Michigan game. Michigan had so much pressure on Alabama's QB that I was like man. Maybe they're just maybe Michigan's D lines that good.
Speaker 1:
They were that good, they were awesome, even the low.
Speaker 2:
Picks was definitely rattled.
Speaker 1:
The big question is how many, how many of Michigan's teams are going to come back next year.
Speaker 3:
That is the big question, because we're I mean, we're looking at Blake Corum. Um, number two, uh, the, the running back that that's just excellent might be leaving. Uh, jj McCarthy so they were. We're not sure if he's going to be there or not. So it is, it's like a numbers game, right? Who's going to come back? Um, it was a great game, though. I just want to say thank you, michigan, go blue. And uh, oh boy, it's been 30 years since we've had that, you know good for you though.
Speaker 1:
Good for you. All right, let's move on to what we're really here to talk about the lions.
Speaker 2:
The lions.
Speaker 1:
Is that this week?
Speaker 3:
No no, that was where, where the rough had to step in, and save the Cowboys.
Speaker 1:
Yes, they did. It wasn't even close.
Speaker 3:
It was very close.
Speaker 1:
I don't even think it was close. No, it was very, very close.
Speaker 2:
Close calls there was very that was, and there was no extra points that they like what still had two more times after that Could have kicked your, could have kicked Phil, going tight at it.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, why are you extra point? Why not? Why did they not do that?
Speaker 3:
Yeah, bad coaching you know, oh, oh well, let's get back to Exodus. Let's get back to Exodus now.
Speaker 2:
We were talking about Exodus chapter 20.
Speaker 1:
Super excited for you guys joining us on this. Uh, when Sam preached a couple weeks ago, we talked about the first four laws you had. Uh, you should have another gods before me. You should not make any graven images, do not take the Lord's name in vain, and you will keep the Sabbath day holy. Then those are the sort of first tablet. Second tablet is going to be honor your father and mother, don't murder, don't uh commit adultery, don't steal, don't commit perjury and uh don't covet. And so those are the big six on the second tablet, and so I really wanted us to kind of walk through that. Those and? Um, just ask, nick, did you learn anything from this past Sunday about honoring?
Speaker 2:
your father and mother.
Speaker 1:
Well, yeah, yes.
Speaker 3:
I have a very difficult relationship with both of them, covered from childhood and then into adulthood, with my, with my mother most recently, and so, yeah, it was. It was the boundaries thing, like where you know we don't have to be friends, we don't have to be. You know I don't have to call you all the time and seek your advice and do exactly what you say, but I am gonna honor you as you are my parent, like you know, and what that looks like, and I really think that was great, because you don't know how many people are in that situation and won't like talk about it.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, there's a lot of estranged children, adult children of parents that they don't have a relationship with. And how do you honor your parents when you there is a Sense of love lost there. In fact, parents can go do art, dark and evil things, but how do you honor? God called you to forever honor your father and mother, but that doesn't mean you need to Trust them, it doesn't necessarily mean you need to do a lot of things, and so I think for a lot of people that may have been hurt by that, just understanding the honoring part Is is essential. How many do you think there are very many people, and maybe their course answers yes, but how do people sort of go forward when they don't have love from father mother? I think that is. It is a challenge that I think that we we sort of experience and seen and what we said, that's that ends up happening when you're not nurtured well. That's when anger really steeps up in your heart. Have you ever seen that?
Speaker 3:
Oh yeah, that my 20s, 30s, beginning of the 40s, yeah, yeah, all right, that's good, all right.
Speaker 1:
So yeah, let's talk through this real quick. I think for me, when we looked at honor your father, mother, we said what does it mean to teach that? So there had to be somewhere in the Bible where God would say what does it look like to To kind of convey this information? Well, proverbs 13 one says Fathers, don't neglect your instruction, or you know, the wise son doesn't neglect his father's instruction. So was assumed that a son would be instructed by His father, and I think that was huge. So we said that instruction was sort of like one of the just baseline. And then Proverbs 13, 24 this is a classic one that gets a lot of Pushback from modern people. It's the one who spares his rod hates his child, but the one who loves his child is diligent in disciplining him, and so, in other words, what we say is like there's there's love and discipline. That's also involved with instruction. So so let's just talk that through, but then also make sure we don't leave this one out. A fusion. Six says fathers, don't in Bitter your children, don't Discipline them so much without any love or nurture that you cause them to become bitter. So what we said is that if you have Instruction and love but no discipline, then you have End up having a kid that is spoiled. But if you, you know, spare the rod, spoil a child, no discipline. If you have a Parents that have, are in, give instruction but no discipline, then they're spoiled, which everyone. Spare the rod, spoil a child. And then if you had a, a kid that has no instruction but has discipline and Love, then what you have is sort of an erratic kid, but they end up being lost and they're always trying to find themselves and that's probably why, whenever they get married, they're just struggling to kind of direct family or even when they are married, they're struggling to kind of go anywhere, and so that's super hard. So for me, I think, the one thing my dad sort of was out of the picture really from 13 on, and so I'd say that that would be when, like, the discipline was, like, so I have a tendency to be spoiled. It's kind of where I go and for a long time I would do things and not think about how my actions would impact others and I had to be reparented in a way, which was, which was by God To kind of help me overcome that. My mom could tell you. I was really spoiled. Adrian probably tell you I was really spoiled. I had to overcome a lot of that. So for you, what, which one were you made? Was it the, the love that you were missing? A.
Speaker 3:
Lot of that, yeah, and so that led you to Anger, cody.
Speaker 1:
What about you? I?
Speaker 2:
Feel like I was disciplined, but there was a lack of it and there was a lack of communication. Yeah, so getting disciplined and then the lack of why talking about it afterwards Was probably important. That I missed out on a little bit, yeah, but then some instances it was there. Yeah with my mom, with my dad, it was more like Get a whooping or I'd do something wrong or bad and there was, like he, the disappointment was so Like overpowering on me that he didn't wake, we didn't speak because you could just feel Like he was so disappointed, like we're just not gonna talk.
Speaker 3:
Oh, that was.
Speaker 2:
That was big for me. Yeah, help me, that was like a big thing where so communication, instruction, instruction, that's exactly right, oh wow. So for me with Conway, I've been very like you're in trouble, you get a whooping or what, but also hey, this is why, right, and I love you and you over Christmas, when we're at Christmas vacation. It was later in the night and Him and his cousin were playing, running down the hall and it was time for bed and we went to the room and he went back out there and ran down the hall again. But we were like, hey, this time that's enough, no more, it's time to go to bed. And he got out of bed and went to the door and I was like, hey. I got up and I was like, hey, if you open that door, I'm like look at me in the eyes. If you go and open that door and you go in that hallway, you're getting spankin. Like this is gonna happen. Yeah, like if you do that. And he just like reached at the door, opened it and like walked out and I'm like you did this.
Speaker 1:
It's so, it's horrible.
Speaker 2:
Well, kids, just do that, I do and that is so and always three right.
Speaker 1:
So he's learning and that's all part of it, in fact. Yeah, I think you know, with as the kids get older, you're having to really Bring more understanding, more communication. It moves from high control to more coaching.
Speaker 2:
At the same time, discipline is gotta be a part of it, and, and boy, that is just such a hard thing to do this cuz I felt bad, like I was like sad and I was like I don't feel bad discipline, but I'm like I felt bad because I'm like you Literally made this decision, like you are the one that went out there. Yeah, and Aaron's like make sure you talk to him because you know you didn't communicate when you were a kid. I was like, oh, I'm okay, I just feel bad because he wanted to do that, knowing what was gonna happen Right, and I hug him, love you. Yeah this is why that happened because, we told you know, and you did it anyway. So threes are fun.
Speaker 1:
Yeah.
Speaker 2:
Just keep getting better and better better and better.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, I think that is true and yeah, I think discipline and love and instruction are so essential. And recently I talked to somebody and they they got partial part pieces and so what ends up happening is they have a lot of anger issues, they have a lot of lying issues and they have a lot of lust issues and they're like well, which one was it? It might have been like all three were sort of jacked up you get a little bit of this, little bit of this you know a bit of that. But I think those are the components that you want to. You want a parent as parents. It's when you, when you sort of read that or see that you're just sometimes there's a feeling like there is no way I'm gonna be able to do this well and I'm afraid I'm gonna leave my kid Scarred or messed up. And I think the reality is that God is this sovereign. He knew what parents to put Children with, and so that's not a mistake. What we can sort of think of is like we can kind of as parents, we can go victims of, just victims of my kid. My kid won't do what I want him to do. Or, on the flip side, we can kind of go over the top I'm gonna make sure and I'm gonna do everything, perfect and then you get shocked when your kid rebels later on. And I think that's super hard. I think in the 80s, 90s, time frame for Christian parents was tough, is that? And I think that those times are coming back again. Which is sort of wild is that, like the high-control parenting was, was totally in vogue, and Then you just saw, you know the purity culture, and then that kind of created a I'm not thumbs down in purity culture. But I think some of the things that happened through that were not good. No, like it caused huge rebellion because the Instinct goal was not communication, instruction, love and discipline. The instinct goal was just have the image that looks like this on the outside, and once you did that, you were good, and so everyone would lie, cheat, steal, murder, whatever, just to have the image of looking like what it was to be a Christian. I think that's what was super hard in that that time frame.
Speaker 3:
What exactly was pure if?
Speaker 2:
you haven't had your purity ring Throwing at you by your mother because she thought you lost your virginity. You haven't lived yet.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, explain purity culture.
Speaker 2:
I kind of missed it because of my parents were not in the purity culture, but it was like Sex can wait. You, you pledged like your virginity to God, that kind of oh man. Now I'm trying to think back and all these like memories are going up.
Speaker 1:
I mean there was a Joshua Harris. I was trying to think of all the I kiss, dating goodbye.
Speaker 2:
Yeah, there were so many different ones of it, but basically it was just like Sex can wait till marriage and you would pledge like a make an agreement with God that you would wait and then you they give you like you go through this course and then they give you a purity ring. That was. You wear that ring and when you get married you take that ring off and put your wedding ring on and this just says You're waiting so In many ways was awesome and I think the heart behind it was so great.
Speaker 1:
I think what happened and correct me if I'm wrong I think our culture, now we I mean I've already had the sex talk with my ten, ten year old, eight year old, six year old and my four year old as soon as he understands don't look at private parts, don't touch private parts like that, he understands that reality we haven't gotten to like we haven't gotten to.
Speaker 2:
Don't hit other men in private parts. Yeah right.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, they, yeah anyway. So that what happens with that is because there wasn't conversation that was as ubiquitous as it is today around the things of sex and boundaries In sex. I think back then all it was was like We've got to put this ironclad rule because clearly everyone's having babies out of wedlock this is a mess when you do something, and but they didn't have any instruction or of training to go alongside it and you know it was very hard and didn't feel very grace filled and so, although clearly the people that wrote the material, I'm sure back then Although Joshua Harris is apostate now and doesn't believe in God and got divorced and it's complete disaster but he he was kind of at the forefront and probably be the poster child for what happens when there is no grace Involved in instruction. So one of the things I tell my, my kids especially because porn is ubiquitous and so he's in fifth grade and goes to public school and so kids talk about porn all the time and I go listen, do not look at that. But if you do, tell me, because if you tell me I can pray for you, we can start the healing process. It's there's no anger involved. I know the temptation is huge, but if you look at, it is going to wreck you. And so, on the one hand, I want you to fear God enough that you wouldn't do that because it's for your own good. On the other hand, I want you to understand that you come to me with the problems, don't run from me, yep. And because one of the things that, as as kids get older, the things you want to train, is run to the father God don't run away from. Because what happens, what? Usually, when people have like a, a bender on a Saturday night, they're not. They're thinking I gotta stay a far away from church as possible. But what we want people to do is run to the father, not away. So how do you?
Speaker 3:
think about that machine gun. Nick, keep all my benders on Friday, no.
Speaker 1:
I'm kidding. No, no, that's absolutely.
Speaker 3:
That's absolutely correct because, as you know, in my life it's gotten bad and I've learned to lean in, probably doing everything like I usually do, the hard way, which is, you know, I tried running and it didn't work. Um, so yeah, leaning in is is is the better way to go and it's, it's blessed me, it's got you know, many times over and you know, let's try, try not to have benders all the time.
Speaker 1:
That's right, that's good.
Speaker 3:
And the more you lean in, the less you're gonna. You're gonna find out you don't want that in your life, right? Which is I thought was insane, because I was like there's no way, I'm not gonna want to go drinking with the boys all the time.
Speaker 2:
No, like I go and do it and I'm like Mmm, so I'm feel I gotta go nice that's like one of my favorite stories from Armin's group and One of my guys like that was. I pushed so hard on Just come. Like don't run from it, run to him. I was like he's already chasing you. You're good, don't run from it, just run to it, and I would just back, just come to church, it's okay. Yeah, we went out all night it doesn't matter to show up, come on. You're loved you, we want you here. They're gonna get something when they're here. If it's like a two liner from you or if it's worship or something, they're gonna get something from being here. But my favorite is one of the guys came after a bender and I went in the bathroom and this certain person was throwing up in the bathroom At church and I was like I'm so glad you're here. Yeah, don't care, good job like sweet and he had ended up telling me that that was one of them like most important Sundays that he ever came here and he got the most out of it. So yeah.
Speaker 1:
So let's go back back to the purity culture thing, and not that we're I'm like again anti-peer to culture, cuz I think there the heart was right, the execution was probably poor, but I think this, this thing of a standard that's really good and holy and righteous, is kind of what we want to be aiming for always with children and with shoot, even as as grown men. But you are a proxy for God as a parent, and I think I talked about that a little bit. What that means is you are standing in the place of God. You are the tangible expression of who God is in the way he loves us. And what happens, I think, in I Think in the Boomer era they didn't talk about feelings like they were products of World War two, veterans For the most part, and an age where like image was everything. I feel like probably many were way too Young to know this, but Andre Agassi, back in the day, for an icon of camera, whatever, like images, everything, and that was like that. He couldn't have said boomer, more Than that. And I think what happened is that when the purity culture came, they thought this we need this because clearly there's people that are doing the wrong thing. And so then what happened is the response to was this knee jerk, which was the right correction in terms of instruction, but what happened is they didn't communicate both love and Truth, grace truth, mercy, truth and I think when you do that, that's what scars kids from church, because they're like all they care about is the whatever and no, we care about you. And when you're not trained on how to communicate that, you go silent treatment because you don't want to say anything, because you're gonna say the wrong thing, so you say nothing. And what that communicates, when you say nothing, is that you are bad in the doghouse and that's not good. And then what ends up happening is so that you never have to suffer that again, because you're not getting the instruction, you end up lying or you end up like sort of getting lost in who you are because you don't know Firmly, rightly or wrongly, what happened. And even even dads are like over the top With lectures and instruction. It was helpful to kind of know where you stood, and you may not have recognized the truth of it in your teenage years, but when you hit 25 you sort of like lean on to that stuff, and that's why it's important to never give up on Instruction, love, discipline, because you don't know, because you know God's word doesn't return void.
Speaker 2:
But for the most part, your parents your word doesn't return void.
Speaker 1:
Kids remember the hurts from like when they were seven, but they also remember the loves and I think that's where I think for me. I can remember, you know, my mom's super encouragement. She's always telling me I'm great. She's at sports games, frustrated that the coach wasn't let me play, but thinking I was awesome. That was really helpful for me as a kid. I'm sure there was positive things that your parents did. You have both that were also influential. What were some of those?
Speaker 2:
One thing like my dad and my parents, big fans like of my sports career, music career, all that always number one fans, and I loved it. And my dad was always honest about things. But I could tell that my dad was very, very, very proud right in the way that he would talk About me. I would hear things, and and this even in the moments where he would be mad at me for doing something or or being upset. That didn't take away the fact that he was still proud of me. There was disappointment in certain actions that I did when I could tell probably, as a father, you would be disappointed in your kid, yeah, but I knew that he loved me and I knew, even though the lack of communication was there. Um, it took me until I was 32, yeah, to realize that I had like an issue and like these heart wounds from when I was a kid, and and communication, and and and why I didn't communicate, and figuring all of these things out and going through hours and hours and hours of therapy to realize, oh, shoot, okay, as a kid, this is why I hit things and this is why I put things away and didn't have communication. And now I realize how important it is. So for me, that was a whole you know circle of oh okay, this is that. And even now, with my parents, I'm like, if something happens, I'm like, hey, we're talking about this, like we have to. Like there's. If you don't want to, I'm sorry, but we were gonna talk about it.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, and I think for me, sometimes the silent treatment aspect of things you know that affected me, I can. My natural desire with Adrienne, or even the boys, is to like oh, I'm gonna make sure you know how bad you did by not talking to you, or pretend how much it didn't affect me. And I have to intentionally overcome that desire to punish through silence, to then go. I'm gonna talk about what I'm feeling and why that hurt and that becomes the greatest blessing, and then you're, you're, you're. Then it's all out in the open and you can deal with it. And I think what happens for a lot of people that sort of like don't want to deal with issues they don't it probably came from childhood that now they don't know how to deal issues with their spouse they don't have to deal with kids. And then they just sort of repeat the issues over and over again for generations. That's 100% accurate. How do you feel about that?
Speaker 3:
machine gun. Nick, that's probably a lot better than some of the fights I've been in in marriages I had a different approach, not really proud of. I'm not really great at silent treatment. I'll just let you know what is on my mind in a non-constructive manner, if you will. I don't know, it's not good.
Speaker 1:
So how do you, if you were parented wrong and if you've parented poorly I think this is the part where you got to understand grace and so you know, with machine gun Nick, with your parents, one of the most important things you can do is forgive them and then honor them, which is sort of a wild thought as you have shared with me, like just kind of the hurt that you've had is it's still important to honor your mother and father in the way that you talk about them, in the way that you especially with your kids, and so what's sort of wild about this? Like my dad passed away 13 years ago now and one of the things I do is like I'll say, hey, you know, jet, that's you, look just like my dad. And he was really great at this. Now there's also some not so great parts about my dad and I'll say, like you know I'll share with the kids, but like the best thing is like you've got some of the best attributes of me and you got some of the best attributes of my dad, you also some of the cruddy attributes of me, and I want to correct that. And being open about the stuff that's in you that's sort of dark. They'll say like oh, that's in me too, and it's wild to be that open and honest in your communication and instruction, which then allows your kid to be empathetic as they learn how to relate to you. Anyway, all that says like I want Grace to go up the family tree, as Grace came down in the spiritual family tree to you through Jesus, and so I think that's part of the thing that I think I've been watching you work on.
Speaker 3:
Yeah, it's difficult because we're talking things that you know you say forgive. You know like you tell people you forgive them, you're still heart.
Speaker 2:
You still have heart wounds you're still have.
Speaker 3:
Right. And then, and then like, and I don't even this is kind of embarrassing, I don't know what Wright looks like, right. So like like my mom's mad at me right now, and part of it has to do with she thinks I talk to my dad more than her and I might like as far as two to three conversations a year ago on the phone, or you know. Or when I do go up there, I stay at his place. Well, that's because I have a key to his house. He's just like here, you know, whenever you're up here, stay here and he doesn't doesn't care where I go. I'm a grown up, right, but then. So now she's mad and that's part of it, I know. And then, um, yeah, and Well, I love this.
Speaker 1:
So how do you think we can heal this? I don't think you can fix her, but you can fix you. And the way that you can fix you is this is where Jesus, on that second half or second half of the sermon I talked about the Sermon on the Mount, matthew 5, 21,. All the way through, I think it's 48. And what he does, he lays out if someone wrongs, you, go and write them. In other words, so if someone is striking you on the one cheek, offer them the other. So, in other words, because of the salvation you have from Jesus, call your mom again and make yourself vulnerable to being struck on the cheek again. Now, that doesn't mean you need to keep. If she crosses a boundary, then you're like hey, I think you're having some time, that you need to process this. I really that hurts me when you say that, but I love you and I want to try to keep doing this. Bye. And then you call her again and you try like the next week you keep calling. That's how you can sort of move the needle back from like we don't communicate and we just assume everybody hates each other too. I'm able to communicate my love for you and I'm going to be doing something that I'm not going to. I'm going to be vulnerable to you, but have a boundary. So where you don't control my life. See, the where God wants us to get is where we're completely free from the control of our parents, which is why our parents' whole life, they should be instruction, love, discipline which makes us feel empathetic, trained and confident, so that we're ready to leave and cleave. That's the whole point of it. So when your mom or dad has opinions about your marriage, opinions about your parenting, you can say, hey, I really appreciate those opinions and I'll take them duly noted, but I'm going to go this direction and I'm totally okay with that.
Speaker 3:
That's where you have a boundary that sounds very corporate America.
Speaker 1:
But it is corporate in the sense that if someone has a disagreement with you, the thing is great about corporate America they still know how to manage civil. You know civilness. But family you're able to say that hurt me. You're able to say that that that wounded me. In fact, that's probably the best place you should go. But if you can't get to that place yet where you can say, like it hurt me when you did this thing, then you need to start with like being civil and then you move from civil to being familial. I think that's what's super hard about that.
Speaker 3:
It is hard because the other day. So there's what my family trained me to do, which is basically cut you off when I don't like what you're saying the ultimate silent term. Yep, and then there's what I want to do, which is you don't like the monster, I am, but you didn't apologize when you created him, so I mean, that's two ways of that's probably not going to work out.
Speaker 1:
Yeah, that doesn't Well in general, that will keep getting what you're getting, yeah, but so if you like, like what you're getting, then keep doing what you're doing. But when Jesus saved you, nick here's the cool part he gave you a new heart and he gave you a new parent. And so the father loves you perfectly and then instructs you with his wisdom, disciplines you with the conviction of the Holy Spirit and forever loves you also with the Holy Spirit and his word and everything else, like the family of God is around you to encourage you and said run to him, not away from him. And so that's what you do have in God's parenting. So now your parents probably don't have that. They probably just live it out in limbo just trying to figure out life, and so the greatest gift you can give them is your presence, and that might just be through. Hey, I feel like I'm called to be a preacher. Hey, I feel like I'm called to be serve this church, and it's been an incredible experience for me and one thing we know about being parent as your parent as well, is that? you. Whatever your kids are excited about, you want to hear about it. You love your kids and so I think there is a part of that where I think, even though she might be angry, that you don't get angry because you don't care. You get angry because you do care Because if you didn't care, you wouldn't even pick up the phone. You'd be apathetic.
Speaker 3:
But when she picked up the phone she didn't know who I was.
Speaker 1:
I know and you're holding on to that and I understand that and that's hard. And I think that's where you say hurt me when you hurt people. Hurt people to hurt people hurt people, and so I'm not saying that you need to go and like bear your soul, but the part where you're going to have her strike the other cheek is you call her again, just say hey, mom, I'm going to check on you and just tell you I love you, or something along those lines, to see how you're doing. Need anything.
Speaker 2:
Kill them with kindness.
Speaker 1:
Kill them with kindness, and then you'll put burning coals on their head. Does that make sense? Yeah?
Speaker 3:
It's hard.
Speaker 1:
It is hard, is that? But that's the instruction from God. Holy Spirit will convict you. Love will always be here to catch you.
Speaker 3:
We'll have to try that because I wasn't able to call her this holiday season. I just couldn't do it.
Speaker 1:
It might be time to call her. All right, so this is going to be an action point for machine gun. Nick, check back in here next week. We'll see if he called his mom.
Speaker 3:
Okay, nailed it.
Speaker 2:
Wow.
Speaker 1:
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