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and welcome back to pastor plex podcast.
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Thanks for that awesome god bless you.
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God bless you adrian, that was a way to jump on the mic.
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Uh well, welcome back to pastor plex podcast.
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So glad all of you are joining us live as we're recording here in austin Texas, with none other than Adrienne Pleganpole with us.
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Yep hey.
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How are those allergies going?
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You know my eyes are on fire all the time, but it's fine.
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Is that mold grass?
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What do you got?
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I don't know, probably all of it, oak mold.
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Oak mold, awesome Pollen and Machine Gun Nick, welcome back.
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Hey, hi, good to have you All right.
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We're talking Easter because we're like three days post-resurrection right now and we're pretty excited about that, three days in roughly 2,000 years, so excited for that entire experience.
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So, guys, tell me what was your experience at Easter, like at Wells Branch Church for you, machine Gun Nick.
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So are we talking like the whole easter?
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like yeah, good friday and everything oh yeah, good friday was a good thing to review.
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Yeah so good friday.
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I wasn't sure I was gonna like the stations.
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Oh yeah, I would be completely honest.
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I was like, why don't we just do a service?
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Um, although the stations did catch some emotion, I was like, oh, maybe this is why we do that.
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What emotion did you catch?
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When did how did that happen?
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So, uh, we were nailing things on the cross and I was like, oh boy, huh, but the eyes weren't completely dry.
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Let's just say that yeah, okay, fair enough, fair enough.
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How about you, adrian?
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What was your experience for good friday?
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I liked.
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I liked the good friday I I like just the.
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In my life I've always connected through music, like significantly I don't want to say primarily, although it might be primarily and so the fact that we just had constant singing up here and you could just sit at once.
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Once we went through it as a family, which was not very fun lots of parenting, lots of people freaking out because they couldn't spell the word bread, because there was a fill in the blank worksheet that their mom had made, thinking it was dumbed down sufficiently but wasn't, and so that was a little bit challenging.
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But then, once the kids were gone and I got to just be in here while the service was happening and other families were coming, that was cool.
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And then just sitting and listening to the music and thinking and having just kind of empty space to just think and sit and listen was awesome.
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That's something I don't feel like I get ever.
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So I was like man, this is a really cool opportunity.
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Yeah, uh.
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How about that Easter egg hunt, though, on Saturday?
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Yeah.
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Nick you missed the Easter egg hunt.
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I did, um, I was trying to do something with the kids that failed.
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I think that was another oh, and then I ended up running up to to temple with John Tippett's so he could sell some of his stuff to somebody.
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So I mean I wasn't completely out of the Easter being mood, I just wasn't at the Easter egg hunt.
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All right, fair enough.
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Fair enough, adrian.
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Talk to us about what you guys did at the Easter egg hunt, which I really feel like.
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Easter egg hunt is not a good description of what it was it's probably more like an Easter extravaganza.
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That's what an Easter, because there was bunny tail dodge balls for adults, so it was like it was like Royal rumble.
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I felt like all of our neighbors were pretty excited about being there and they're like they've got dodge ball.
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It was kind of a fun moment.
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That was.
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It was fun we had, it was just our, our regular.
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I didn't actually have enough eggs for the hunting because you know what's interesting is, saturday before the hunt I had 45 people registered and I was like, shoot, we must have done really bad last year because no one's coming.
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And then by saturday morning of the hunt, so like five days later, monday, tuesday, was it yes, we had 130 people registered and then more came that weren't registered there was about 200 people there yeah, and so I.
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I just didn't foresee that entirely, so, but it was still fun, the kids still got how many?
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So next year, how many eggs are you going to get?
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I had a thousand.
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This time we need 2000.
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Okay, we need a double.
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Maybe you need to think that you need 3000 because that's the number that popped into my head too.
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Yeah, that's a lot, that's a lot.
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I'll put you guys on the egg stuffing team.
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No, no, you got, it is.
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Uh, who's your bunny?
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Oh, you know, I don't know if we want to disclose that information, okay, yeah well, that person could do a great job at egg stuffing.
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Yeah, we had some great egg stuffers.
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My whole community group egg stuffed and we did it and, like you know, it usually takes about one hour to stuff a thousand, so I guess three hours, why not?
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Anyway, it was, it was good.
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So we did the hunt and the hunt last, you know, maybe four and a half minutes, and then you have the.
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We had face painting and little tattoos and balloon animals and then we had some relay races and dodgeball.
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But then the cool part of that venue at the school is there's a bunch of blue bonnets, so we got to have oh pictures.
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Yeah, it was fun.
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So it was fun.
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It's a fun event I I enjoy.
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It's fun to have something to invite people to in the middle of the Easter weekend.
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That's less intimidating for those who don't go to church and I feel kind of like if I was someone who didn't go to church and I got invited to something like that and I went, I and I got to kind of meet, like okay, these are the people that go to their church.
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Like that's a big hump to like get over, because after that now all the intimidation is just coming to a service that you're unfamiliar with and not necessarily just an entire people, group and service and demographic that you're unaware of.
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So I feel I felt really good about that.
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We had several families from our neighborhood who we overlap with with sports and school and just we live close and so it's almost like the people that overlap with us like three or four times already got to overlap with us at a church thing and that felt really special to me.
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I enjoyed that.
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I totally agree with it.
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It did feel good, all right.
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So then let's jump right into Easter, and so 7am service was.
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Service was our first experience, which actually I was.
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It was well attended.
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We definitely did not put out enough chairs.
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I think we put out 50 chairs.
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We needed about 10, 15 more.
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But that their own Easter egg hunt and their baskets and stuff like that, okay.
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So yeah, you were texting me Are you here yet?
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At nine and I was like nope, I'm sitting next to my kid right now.
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So I didn't get.
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I didn't get in until the last service.
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Okay, let's talk about this, let's do a little sermon recap and really the the essence of the message is will you receive Easter as the gospel truth or an idle tale?
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Really, picking back off of Luke 24 verse uh, I think it's 11, where the ladies come back and they start explaining the gospel to all the disciples who are, you know, in some locked room somewhere and they didn't make any sense and they thought it and some, and most of them, dismissed it as an idle tale.
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And that's where, uh, we, we left off, and then we, we have three responses.
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You know, idle tale is obviously one of the responses.
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They said, oh, whatever, but peter ran to verify, uh, that the tomb was empty.
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Uh, and I really love that, because his response wasn't that it was an idle tale.
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It says but Peter, like of all the disciples that you think would be like yep, knew it, he's dead.
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It would be Peter, the guy that um denied him, but perhaps, maybe Peter knew more than anyone else that or maybe that shame, or maybe there was a shot that he had at getting it right, jesus Cause I don't think he fully wrapped his head around, uh, the scriptures being fulfilled, the Bible being fulfilled, but he runs to see Jesus, even when he's the denier, even when he just felt the humiliation of looking at Jesus as he's denied him, to a middle school girl.
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Um, and I compared that to you, uh, machine gun Nick, in sort of your lifestyle I don't know if lifestyle is the best way to put that, uh, but you're in your life, you.
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You've had moments where you've run to Jesus and you've sinned badly, horribly, and then you run to Jesus and I guess you could say all of our sin is horrible, so it doesn't really matter.
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But let's talk about that a little bit of like your experience of the trampoline, of going up and down and then running to Jesus.
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You know it's kind of crazy about that is I don't think you've had it in the sermon, but the week before that happened the thing with letting the person in my home and then discovering they were using drugs.
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Still, I was told by a friend at the veterans ministry that I go to that, I attend like we work on PTSD and you know the drinking and to handle it and all that stuff right.
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But he looked at me and he's like I have to tell you, if you don't get the bitterness out of your heart that your life's going to be, you know the way it is right now a little, a little rough yeah and I'm like what is he talking about?
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because I was like I'm not bitter.
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Yeah, you know, as long as I keep distance from the ex-wife, as long as I don't run into taliban, as long as you know you don't bring drugs in my house, I'm not bitter at all.
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Right, once those things happen, that's when it comes out and I was like whoa, you know, and so this this is the week before, and then you know, I'm trying to help out with the church.
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Um, and the individual in question, like who, who came to, to the men's group, who came out door knocking with us yep, was a guy trying to get his, his life on track right what had transpired since he fell out from us.
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He, he slipped and he fell, fell way far.
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And you know I can't have that.
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In my home, in my truck I have children.
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You know an ex-wife that could possibly be like, look, you're hanging out with these kind of people, you can't see your kids.
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In fact, you're trying to help that person, but my response to it wasn't one of love, it was one of anger.
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I ran right smack dab into not as bad as the taliban experience like, but like you were there, we were there yeah, I was there the taliban experience if you had access to your gun and you had been shooting it would have been pulled on him yeah yeah, like I would have actually uh leveled the gun on the Taliban guy.
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Yeah 100%.
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At Walmart, by the way, if you're wondering At.
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Walmart, where we are, I'm running the tires and the oil section.
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I'm the manager crying out loud.
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So that means I only answer to the store manager.
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And I was doing exceptional there, like you know, we were up 40 percent in sales and profits.
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And here this guy comes in and he's like I don't have to pay for this service.
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I'm like what and I look over at my I had this cuban guy because he spoke spanish and I'm like hey, what's he saying?
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He's like it's not spanish, and so, and then it just clicked and it was it.
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If you could imagine, I don't know, it's like it was instantaneous.
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I was like posh tune or dari, and the guy's like posh tune, and then I just I think I I saw red automatically and I started saying he's going to pay.
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What does that mean Pashtun?
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So they speak.
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So in Afghanistan they speak two different dialects Dari, and they spoke Pashtun.
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Now, taliban, the guys that we were trading lead with right, I mean shooting at they, were shooting at us they speak Pashtun.
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Okay, and I say not every posh tune speaker was a taliban, but every taliban spoke posh right, like, and you could tell, like the difference and, um, yeah, once he said that I was I, it was almost like I was transported back there Every like I don't know how to say it, like it's just this angst, like I wasn't nice to them.
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I wasn't like I've pulled one off a soldier because he was trying to, you know, grab him and do homosexual acts with him and that was supposed to be our friend, right, and I pulled him off and the only reason that guy didn't get bloodied is because I didn't want an international incident on my name.
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Right.
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But in all respects I believed I would have been justified to bloody that man.
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You know the population I treated like dirt.
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I mean I ran over three donkeys in one patrol, you know so we're talking about.
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I wasn't a good person.
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There are soldiers that are like, hey, I'm just here for the mission and I'll kill the bad guy.
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I wanted to burn the population out.
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If they would have let me, if the officer would have died and it was just Sergeant Drummond running the platoon, stuff would have gotten done.
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So would ABC News have probably talked about me.
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But you know, I am here to find it, find the insurgents and take them out, and that's.
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That was all I wanted to do.
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Yeah, that's interesting.
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So okay, so you're comparing this guy that comes to your house with drugs that you're trying to help out.
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It's like it wasn't that same level of anger, but it was close.
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Yes, it was very much close, because you just endangered me, trying me seeing my family, my children.
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Right the most important thing really.
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I think the other side of that that I'm not putting into this story is my father was was a drug user.
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Ok, oh, trafficker that, that, there you go.
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Who went away for like four and a half years because he got caught, you know, with X amount of cocaine in the back of his car.
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All right, so like there's a lot going on there, Like so that trick that trigger you like oh, this is this is just what I?
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Well, it's almost like you could have been put away for the same thing your father was, and that's not even your.
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That's not who you are.
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Yeah, exactly, and I kind of have, and I definitely have a distaste for people that do that.
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Now, I mean, if you're smoking weed, that's one thing, but if you're like shooting up, right, I'm like no.
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Okay, right, I'm like no, okay, so how did that?
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How'd you handle that?
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with with him.
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Uh, well, I threw his stuff on the curb.
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Um, I came out of my truck with my gun in my hand, uh, which was more to like show his his handlers, because if you could imagine there was one car, there was two cars to pick him up.
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I wanted to make sure that they knew I'm a hard target, like it was.
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That was kind of like the Afghanistan thing, second Airborne in Afghanistan.
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Like we're a hard target, you don't want to.
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They call it, what do they call?
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it Porcupine.
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A square circle patch client or something.
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Oh, okay, yeah, fine.
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That's what they called us, and I wanted to make sure that they knew.
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If you come by my place, you might not leave.
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Okay.
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And that was where I took that, which the gun eventually very quickly went back into the truck.
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It wasn't waved around, it wasn't pointed at anybody, which was kind of weird because it was kind of like got this gun in my hand and I'm not used to this because it's either getting pointed at somebody and we're doing damage or it's in a holster.
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What do I do with it now?
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So that was a different experience.
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Good, that's a little, that's good.
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So then, how did you?
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recover from this, because there you are Anger and rage.
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You got the gun out.
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So John Tibbetts was like he drives by and is like, do I need to get out?
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I already have Cody and Jordan standing there with me and I'm telling you, jordan probably couldn't have stopped me and probably neither could John Tibbetts, because he's hurt.
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Cody's probably the only person that, if I would have went at him, could have stopped me, and probably neither could john tippets, because he's hurt.
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Cody's probably the only person that, if I would have went at him, could have stopped me.
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But I had three people there so that I wouldn't attack.
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That's good, because I wanted to.
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I just kicked the living crap out of them so.
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so how did so this gets into?
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How does the gospel and I think that what's so good about this is like?
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Here you are trying to do a gospel thing.
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It sort of backfires on you and now this person is trying to help.
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Now you're thinking you want to kill him.
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So how does Jesus meet you in that and how do you feel conviction?
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Where are you at with all that?
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eviction where you out with all that, um.
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So for one, I feel like I, I, I see the bitterness that's inside me, yeah, what is like?
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Because, again, I was questioning, I was like I'm not, I'm not, you know, right, I'm not mad at the world, I'm pretty, I'm pretty.
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Actually, you know, right now, I'm pretty peaceful person.
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At that moment in time I was like, which is great for me, right, right.
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So he showed that, yeah, man, I, I still have a lot of it in in me, this bitterness, this hatred, this anger, and, and it will, it will creep out when it like, I guess, when I hit one of those things, right, those tears, um, but on the flip side of that, like I know, I begrudgingly, uh, apologized to the person, um, which I know is the right thing, but I didn't want to, and yeah, it was, it was probably best done and the outcome was great, um, but it really, like, the whole time I was like you should be apologizing to me.
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You know, like I was wronged, right, so severely that he should be the one extending a hand right.
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And you know, I'm thinking, you know, uh, 19th century america, we could have dueled over this, I could have my vengeance, um, and that would be perfect in my mind.
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You and Andrew Jackson would have done well together.
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You and Andrew Jackson would have done well together.
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Yes, I think so.
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Me and Davy Crockett might not have gotten along.
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I love the guy, but me and Andrew Jackson were probably right there.
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We could do some dueling.
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They did say that they all got wasted when he took office that inaugural speech and stuff.
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Yeah.
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They went through like Washington DC ran out of whiskey.
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There's layers of connection here.
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Yes, yes, okay, keep going so, but at the end of the day, I apologize to him, which opened up the the door for him to apologize to me and and the lord, showing me that I have to be the bigger person in life, which has been a common theme in my entire life, like everyone, and I mean everyone has said that to me over and over and over again.
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But my question throughout my life, as a young man even sometimes, as you know, where are we at in our 40s?
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Middle-aged man, middle-aged man, middle-aged man.
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Where are we at?
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in our 40s.
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Middle-aged man, middle-aged man, middle-aged man.
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I'm like you know, everybody that wanted me to be the bigger person was never the bigger person.
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So it was always kind of like, well, you don't do that, and then they get mad at you.
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You'd be like I told you.
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But being the bigger person, I guess, is just what has to happen, because I'm the one that's going to get rid of those generational curses, because no one else is going to do it, and it took me till middle age to figure that out.
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Yeah, and I think let's just be honest I think we grow up.
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If we have any sort of we've been wronged.
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It kind of creates a victim mentality.
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And you could be as conservative as you know, you know as far right as possible, but still have a victim mentality and have this burning anger which makes you hard to be around, because conflict is inevitable and your ability to handle conflict is going to be what determines how far you're going to really go in life, because all of life is managing conflict.
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You rise to the level of leadership of which you can handle conflict, and usually people who are able I don't want to say peacemakers in the sense that they just get run over, but people that are able to address conflict, um, in a really positive, healthy way, are successful people.
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And you can only do that.
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Usually, this shows that you're raised right or you just adapted really well.
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If you're raised right, where you understood that conflict's a part of life, people get mad at each other.
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That doesn't mean they're going to leave forever, but if you've gotten hurt by someone who left you early or, uh, let you down, really bad.
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There's always this self-protective, that there's an anger that you've done me wrong when actually they've done it wrong but you've elevated to such high levels because it was such a triggering event of how you've now had to handle the rest of your life to protect yourself.
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And I think what I've said over and over is like, I think, our emotional response when we're younger if it's not trained out of us, we don't become older, or we become older in age but not wiser at all.
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So that's interesting, I agree.
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I think that I was just thinking when you were talking like being the bigger person in the choice to do that, you're becoming a leader of everyone else and so when you're the bigger person, in whatever context, you become the strongest leader in that same context.
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And I mean, if you think about it with, like our, our kids, we could.
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I mean you see parents not be the bigger person a lot and lose it.
