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And welcome back to Pastor Plex podcast.
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I'm your host, pastor Plex, so glad all of you are joining us as we talk faith culture.
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Everything in between and with me back in studio is none other than Mrs Katie Sass.
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Katie, welcome back.
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Thanks for having me.
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Man, it is so good yeah it's so good to see you.
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Can you all right?
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There's a couple of things you know.
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It's been a while and I think that some people have been tracking with you for a while on our, uh, justin and Amber story.
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Can we, can we continue that story, because I met Justin and Amber?
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at the.
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Easter egg hunt, and that was wild.
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So tell me, tell me about how all that came to be and what's been going on recently.
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So I finally got them to agree to come to a church event.
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Um, that wasn't at a church, Uh.
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But they, just like for a long time, didn't really want to come to anything that our church was putting on.
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Right, because it wasn't relevant Right.
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Yeah, and then you know anyways, so they finally come to the Easter egg hunt.
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And their son is about he just turned one and I was so excited, Like literally they she agreed to it and I'm texting everybody like Amber and Justin are coming to the Easter egg hunt.
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Like I can't believe it.
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I'm so excited Like it's been like two years of waiting to have them at something that, like, is one relevant for their life stage, because for a long time they were in mourning and so of course they're not going to want to come to something that's for kids, um, and it's just been a long time they were in mourning and so of course they're not going to want to come to something that's for kids and it's just been a long road.
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So they come to the Easter egg hunt and I introduced them to you just, and then, after Justin talked to you for a little bit, we're standing over by the blue bonnets and he goes.
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I said you know that was my pastor and he goes.
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Oh really, I know that was my pastor and he goes.
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Oh really, I was like yeah, uh, he like I've told him all about y'all from the podcast and everything like that, and he goes.
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He was a really cool guy.
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I really liked him and I was like that's great, like I'm so, I'm so glad.
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Oh, that's fun, Okay, and then and then he said he might check us out.
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Yeah, so I.
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This past weekend I went to their son's birthday party.
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Their son's name is Porter.
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Yeah, and definitely a rainbow baby.
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Oh, and he.
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What does rainbow baby mean?
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So a baby after loss.
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So you know, they lost Gunner and then they also had a miscarriage after Gunner, and so Porter is like pretty much baby number three.
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Um, and so I go to the birthday party and I'm not thinking they're going to visit at all, like I'm, like we're, we're still a long way out.
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Like they just came to the Easter egg hunt.
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Um, it's I'm, we're, we're still a long way out.
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Like they just came to the easter egg hunt.
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Um, it's I'm, I've still got some work to do.
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And like Ryan, like it's so hard for Ryan to be friends with anyone, like not, no, not, it's like because of his schedule, I mean, he's not, he's not like the most outgoing person ever like at all yeah, um, but like he just has no time for new friends right now, and so we've we've heavily talked about this before but, um, uh, oh my gosh, justin walked over to me and he's like hey, so I'm thinking like we're gonna, we'd love to check out your church and my like like when I say my mind was blown and my heart literally fell out of my whole body, I was like, really, and I looked at him and I, immediately in my head, I'm like, I'm like, don't be weird, don't be weird, play it cool, play it cool, just be cool, don't scare him away.
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And I was like, oh my gosh, like you just made my whole week.
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Like that's I'm.
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I love that, I'm so excited.
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And, um, because I can't hide all of my excitement, you know, I couldn't just be like a brick wall, like, oh, okay cool, yeah, cool, yeah no big deal, yeah, and so, um, he's like, yeah, I just I was so like I just was kind of blown away by how nice everybody was at the Easter.
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I kind of like everybody that we talked to was, they were just so nice and I'm like I don't know if he was thinking that he was going to come to this event with a bunch of church people and that they were going to be mean Like I don't know what he was expecting.
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But he just was so blown away by how kind everyone seemed and I was like great, Like I'm so, I'm so glad, and he's like so, yeah, I think I'll like come to, we'll come visit, and so I'm hoping they'll come this Sunday or just whenever.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Well, we're in a series called Explore God yeah, so, um, well, we're in a series called explore God yeah, perfect, it seems like it would be a perfect thing of like.
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You know, we've been going through wiser pain, suffering.
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Is the Bible reliable, as we just talked about in this next week, where Mo pastor Mo's gonna be talking about, is Christianity too narrow and, uh, sometimes there's like fear and intrepidation, a little bit like when new people come and you're talking about you're talking directly to new people.
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It's like this is for you, uh, and so I'm so excited about that.
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Um, yeah, so please let me know.
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I mean I know like there've been a lot of people that have listened to this story, like from the beginning, and so I like, if you want to meet them, if you like, literally, please tell me, just text me and say, hey, introduce me to Amber and Justin, I want to meet them.
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Yeah, just text me and say, hey, introduce me to Amber and Justin, I want to meet them.
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Yeah, like, I'm happy to, like, I want them to meet as many people as they can.
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I just think of people who, uh, are, have experienced loss, and especially with babies, that would be.
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That might be a perfect spot for them to just connect.
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Um, because the web of relationship is what really builds an evangelistic.
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Um, you know, like, hey, I really love you and want to know you, but I can't be the sole person.
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That's your only friend and I'm, and you've been, so generous and loving, and it could be like, oh well, you're the anomaly.
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All the rest of the Christians are judgmental and jerks, but you're like, you know, somehow you got in.
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Uh, but if everybody sort of has an experience with them, that's like loving and powerful, and then, uh, we get to share the gospel.
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How awesome is that?
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Okay, well, that that is exciting.
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Uh, so thanks for sharing that.
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I mean, this really has been a a several year journey.
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What it's felt like it it's been like two, two or three years, yeah, I think maybe three.
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Yeah, honestly, because you know the peanut app and I remember us first talking about that and it was so, and the first day you met her gosh, I.
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I met them, so we started hanging out when Ava was like 15 months old and she's gonna be four in June wow yeah, because her, supporter or not, porter Gunner died when he was 17 months old and we'd only known each other for about three months when that happened and so, but I have, like, if it wasn't for God just laying it on my heart that like he wants me to be friends with her, then I don't know that it would have continued.
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I mean, I just continued to pursue her because that was the Holy Spirit's prompting Like and I I obviously really like her, like I genuinely care about her and she's not a project, um, but it's like with everything going on and with, like how busy life can be and how it's like you already have your friends, your, your, your friends that get you and your faith, like and so making time for for friends that don't have kids, cause for a long time it was really hard for us to hang out because she didn't have a kid or her kid died.
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And so like making time to hang out with her outside of motherhood was so hard, was a challenge, and so I'm just thankful that God is like.
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It's like, oh, I feel so much momentum now because God's like here.
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They're coming to that Like keep going, like I'm working, I'm doing something.
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I can't get over how awesome that is.
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I'm so encouraged by that and it just shows that the faithfulness.
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If I could take that sort of faithfulness and put it in every person, just go for one person over time, that's genuine friendship, that's genuine relationship and it's really, really powerful.
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So, man, thanks for thanks for being just what an example of a woman of God is and what a real friend is with someone who doesn't know Jesus.
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So that's, it's powerful for me.
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Which then takes us to this past week, as we're talking about challenging people to explore God, um, uh, we were answering the question is the Bible reliable?
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And uh, the first sort of thought that sort of comes up with that is um, where I went with this is that I think a lot of people are turned off by people of the book um, because of second Timothy chapter, verses 1-9.
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And if you're not familiar with 2 Timothy 3, 1-9, let me read it to you.
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I don't want to say it's funny, but it's kind of funny, because this is where Paul is writing to Timothy saying hey, check it out, you're pastoring this church and in the last days it's going to be wild, but understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty for people, and you're wondering who these people are, for people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not living good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of God rather than lovers, rather, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance.
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Okay, right there, I'm gonna stop right there, cause he's then going to say avoid such people.
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So he can't second Timothy three.
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So he can't possibly be talking about Christian, sorry, about non-believers, because in a first Corinthians five he said listen, I'm not saying don't judge the people outside the church, I'm talking about judge people inside the church.
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He's saying these are the people that are inside the church.
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So if you've ever had church hurt, well, duh, the people in the church are slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, soulless.
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Lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, saying that they're a Christian or whatever, but denying its power.
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Avoid such people.
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And that is where I feel like a lot of people who don't trust the Bible, because what they can see, bible people aren't acting like Christians.
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And again, they may not be real Christians, it might be just people who stole the label.
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There's a cultural Christianity for some period of time.
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Maybe they grew up that way, but they abandoned the gospel, or they never accepted the gospel, but they like you know maybe the structure or whatever the community, and so they make Jesus look bad and therefore not trust his word, which is why them people and I think this is a word that's come up a lot, in fact up my quiet time this morning the patriarchy.
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When I say patriarchy, does that give you a weird feeling.
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Are you okay with that word?
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no, I know some people use it to like insult people, like insult men or like uh, like it's been used like I think taylor swift is probably the most famous.
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It's just I, I'm a christian, but the patriarchy, uh, of saying she's not a christian right, she said that, though, like in one of her, one of her tv show, with when she's, you know, crying at her parents terrible.
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So she said she would that's a good example.
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Like she would be a person that would probably fall into this lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of god.
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I want people to love me, I want people to like me.
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I've me, I've got a business to run, I got a thing to do, and so what happens is, when you have an appearance of godliness, you're throwing the name of a Christian around, but you deny its power.
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So what you're saying, and the reason that people don't like the patriarch, is have men abuse their power?
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Sure, but it's you know.
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Have the police abuse their policeness?
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Sure, but do you throw out the police?
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We've seen how that goes.
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Yeah, when you throw out protection, when you throw out like enforcing of law, it leads to a society that goes like complete anarchy.
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And I think in San Francisco, like literally this time, I think the police force is so low that people just walking out of like cvs or whatever, and they just steal stuff wholesale and there's just that's just what you do and that that can last for a season, but eventually that whole culture will implode because they've lost law and order.
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Okay, in the same way, god designed men to lead and uh.
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And when I say men to rule, rule and lead mean the same thing, but when I think people hear rule, they go, oh, no, oppression, uh.
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And I think partly it's because we're American and we we're, we've been taught from beginning of time to rant.
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Tyranny is bad and it is.
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Tyranny is bad, but I think what can happen.
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Maybe you can speak into this as someone that maybe has seen poor male leadership in your life, through your entire life.
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What can happen when men abuse that?
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It can be like it can freak you out.
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Would you agree with that?
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Any any things you can share about that specifically?
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Um, I just think about your three P's that you've talked about before.
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I don't know if there were four, but uh provide, uh pursue.
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Yeah, wow, nice.
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And so I mean, that's what I think of every time.
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I think of, like, what does godly leadership look like in the home?
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Protect, provide, pursue.
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And so I think men there are obviously men who have fallen from that and don't shoot for that, but the men that are it's almost like the men that are providing, protecting and pursuing are being like thrown into this club that they are not a part of, just because they're men and because a lot of women have been so hurt by men that it's like let's just, we're just going to see all men as trash Like.
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I can't even imagine what a man looks like who provides for his family, who protects his family and who pursues his family.
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Like that's, like that doesn't exist to a lot of women.
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So it's hard, it's hard to know, and I think for that reason, a lot of people delay marriage for a long time because they've never, they don't know what a good marriage looks like.
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They and I may have been in that category, I think, in my twenties.
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If I and I mentioned this on Sunday, like when I read second Timothy three in my twenties I was like, oh my gosh, is that me?
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Like, am I the person that people should avoid Because I just had uncontrollable lust or uncontrolled need of approval?
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I need, I need a girl, not necessarily to have sex with, but I need you to like me.
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I need, I need you to to want to be with me, and as long as I know I have that sort of controller power or whatever, I can feel okay with myself.
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I love you, jesus, but I still need this an emotional, uh crutch type thing.
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And it took, uh, really, I mean it took a while for me to get into my thirties, realizing that how broken I was.
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And then, um, with Adrian, I married my best friend, which I'm really so grateful for her, and she, as a best friend, iron sharpens iron, one man sharpens another.
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She has really sharpened me through calling out my insecurities and early in our marriage.
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Uh, she could say she would.
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She would point out like I think you're enjoying that attention too much or you're enjoying the fact that the girl that you're ministering to is enjoying the intention too much.
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And so I didn't.
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A lot of that I didn't realize, because I didn't.
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To be fair, I just didn't.
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I didn't see, like my parents early on were awesome and had a great connection, but in my teenage years they lived in different states and it was just challenging.
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And then they got divorced and it was sort of a weird deal.
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So I didn't have a good picture of pursue, provide, protect.
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I didn't have a picture of that.
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And so I think what happened?
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I got out of the relationship with women, whether a friend or dating person or girlfriend or whatever what I could get out of it and I think that I became what exactly Paul is writing to Timothy about and I think that's that repentance I needed in my heart.
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Took a while for me to see it because I was self-deceived for so long.
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Yeah, just kind of how.
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That doesn't mean it wasn't my fault and I wasn't, but I just didn't know.
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But at the same time, you are also striving to like, provide, protect and pursue.
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And so I think like so, thank God, marriage transformed a lot of that, and before marriage a lot.
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But I think that's where I think men struggle in general is they don't know what a picture looks like.
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So I think I think, yeah, provide, protect, pursue is what God's word calls us to.
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It's not perfect.
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I mean, ryan is a great provider, protector, pursuer.
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That doesn't mean that he doesn't have his own struggles, right, and so, yeah, I just think, like anyways, I feel like I could talk forever about it, but we have other things to talk about no, no, this is, this is what we.
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This is.
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This is appropriate.
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You can keep going.
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Is there something specific you were thinking of?
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well, no, I'm saying.
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I think women wait for this picture of like if the second they see a flaw, or the second they see that the guy struggles with something or it's like, oh, well.
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I just like he's probably not, but I mean Rod and I walked through some like deep struggles, yeah, and for I mean there were times where we'd end a fight and I would think I hate, like I don't, why did we get married like this was, this is awful, like he's, and I would.
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I would immediately label a mistake he made as he's a poor provider.
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He's a poor uh, he's a poor protector nice and like, wherever I was, I would just like he's.
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He's not doing his job right.
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It's like you, your husband's not perfect.
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Like there's no man, that's perfect.
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Like there's no man, that's like never gonna raise his voice.
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There's no man, that's.
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I mean.
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It's kind of funny whenever I hear girls say like my husband has never raised his voice at me.
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I'm'm like really.
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Like never, you know like.
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So it's dating, marriage counseling Is that what you're thinking?
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I'm just like, are you sure?
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Like I was talking to a friend at work and she's like, yeah, we have we never fought before until we started re-engage like at at our church, like they just decided to take a re-engage class, yeah, and she's like we used to never fight.
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We had never gone in a fight before and then we started doing this marriage class and then we started having these huge fights and I'm like I probably needed to have it.
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Oh for sure.
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Well, that's what I always say, Like, remember, there's three types of couples.
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There's the Italian couple, who pursue conflict.
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There's a Victorian couple that like do not do conflict at all and if it comes up they just stuff it or whatever.
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And then there's the American couple that's like one person's pursuing the person's like I'm out, and I think in that circumstance there's probably a Victorian couple that all of a sudden was forced because like face things.
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Yeah, exactly, yeah, all right.
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Yeah, I think that's good, all right.
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So that was sort of point.
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One was Timothy was to avoid unreliable people trying to appear godly.
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The second thing we talked about is God's word is reliable for salvation.
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Specifically, the sacred writings which Paul wrote are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.
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And when I talked about this I was like listen, I know.
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Like how do you know that you can get saved?
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I mean, how do we even know what what was written is actually in was what they actually wrote?
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And I think that's what's hard about ancient manuscripts, especially when we're talking about 2000 years old.
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Uh, how can we trust what we have is what actually was written?
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Is that something that, for you, you ever wrestled with?
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Really no, and and why do you think that is Cause?
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I think this is, I think, the reason if you answer, I'd love to hear your answer on this because I think it will.
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It's telling about the culture.
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Ask me more direct.
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So did you ever doubt when you read the Bible?
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It was.
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What we have now is what was written then.
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No.
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And why did?
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Why did that thought never come up to you?
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I don't know, I just took it for what it is Okay.
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I don't know, I just took it for what it is Okay.
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So I, because God's word is powerful on its own.
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It doesn't need any um.
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Hey, here are the other um, it doesn't need to be edited.
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It doesn't need to be edited.
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It doesn't need to be like, uh, lifted up somehow, like puffed up.
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We got like, listen, you gotta believe this, because I promise you it doesn't need it, because it's truth on its own.
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We should be judging ourselves, and I think this is why I love this.
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I think what you did when you read the Bible is you read the Bible and you go, oh, it's saying to me that I'm not what it should be.
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I need to change, as opposed to, I think, what people do when they have opinion about it, like it's not reliable.
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Because I am offended by this, I want the Bible to change, or maybe it got changed to control me, because I don't like what it says.
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Yeah, and a lot of that is the Holy Spirit.
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I mean, we are flesh like.
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If the Holy Spirit is not working in us, then of course we're going to read the Bible and be like, oh, it needs to change, because I don't want to change.
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The Holy Spirit is what makes us want to change.
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The Holy Spirit convicts us, and so if you are sensitive to the Holy Spirit, then you're going to read the Bible and you're going to go, oh, I kind of suck.
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Right.
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Like there's some work I got to do so.
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There's stuff in here that would offend different cultures.
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For example, I don't think anyone has a problem with husbands love your wives, like Christ loved the church and gave himself up, sacrificed himself for it.
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I think there are some men that would.
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Well, I think for the most part our culture goes yeah, that's what men should be doing, right, like like lay down the wife, you need to lay down for your wife.
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I think that that's kind of like.
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In fact, why do I not agree with that?
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Okay, well, I just from a man's perspective.
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I think men are told to be passive and I think people in general think that that's like a passive thing to do, to lay your life down whatever she wants, and they read it like that and they're not offended.
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Feminists would say absolutely.
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I'm not talking from a Christian like you love Jesus perspective, I'm talking from a world perspective that that's not offensive to the culture.
