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and welcome back to pastor plex podcast.
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I'm your host, chris pleckenpole, so glad all of you are joining us.
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And with us in studio is none other from perryton, texas, marlin sparks.
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Welcome.
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Hey, you know.
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Pastoring out there, it's victory life right victory, family victory family church, so excited for you guys to be joining all the way from perry.
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That's all the way.
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It's a long way.
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How many?
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hours to drive, was that?
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about eight eight.
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Yeah, just for this podcast.
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So I'm just, I'm just so honored to miss it and then also joining me on my right is none other than machine gun Nick.
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Welcome back, machine gun, nick Howdy.
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So one of the things I did on Sunday, which was just sort of a fun mic drop moment, is I at least first service for those of you who were here during meet and greet time I was like, hey, stand up, look at one of your neighbors and then tell them what you thought about the debate last night or on Thursday, and then I walked off and that was sort of a fun moment and everyone sort of stared at their shoes awkwardly.
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But I want to kind of get your guys' view of how you think the debate went.
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Did you get and first off, did you actually get to hear the debate?
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See the debate, experience the debate?
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so I always call it third hand off of like social media okay, so you got like all the yeah the riffs.
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Yes, uh, did you get the donald trump commercial riff of the port of of?
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Uh, biden's like talking 90 seconds of just pure muttering.
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Yes, okay, all right, marlon, did you get a chance to watch it?
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Every bit of it?
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Okay, and I, so I was.
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I watched.
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We had backer Bible club going on at the same time, so I kind of scooted in and watched a little bit, and then I had to go speak at Hill Country Bible Church's boot camp for their students, and then I listened to it on the radio.
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Now, just boot camp for their students.
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And then I listened to it on the radio.
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Now, here's what's why when I was listening to on the radio, biden sounded old but he sounded coherent, so I couldn't see him, uh, and so it's like he sounded like an old guy, which I thought was fine, but his responses seemed like measured and like had a point and and I only heard, like you know I guess, a 15 minute section and I was like man, he's, he's hanging in there he responded to Trump in a coherent fashion, which is sort of funny.
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I think the fact that I was like sort of surprised and like good for you, joe, that you were able to function up there.
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I guess that's not a good sign, uh, but uh, I think for most everybody else took it as they saw him and so the response was like he looked, he was a deer in the headlights pretty much the whole time.
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Is that sort of what you took from that?
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Absolutely yeah, what was your like?
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He's what?
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81?
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Is that what he is?
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Let me check, is that?
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right, yeah, hold on.
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It might be Biden age real quick.
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It's like, how old is he?
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Yeah, he's 81.
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So he's 81 years old.
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He's been in politics, I think, since 72 or something, and so he has been here for a while.
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So when you look at the way that he came off, did it look like dementia had set in, or what was your sort of thought on that?
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I thought it was.
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I thought he started strong too, and they said just the opposite.
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You know, right said started started, bad ended strong.
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I thought it just the opposite yeah he started pretty strong and faded away right right.
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I didn't, because I, when I was listening to him, I was like I mean, his policies were not what ones I would agree with, but he was able to coherently argue them and then, like he and Trump, looked like they were.
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You know, again, he sounded old but didn't look like he was well, there didn't sound like he was a deer in the headlights I saw a clip where that shows donald trump walking off stage after it ends, yeah, and like, um biden's wife and somebody else having to like, come get him and like, and he was just seemed entirely frail, like he was about, he was just done afterwards.
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Yeah, you know, and I don't know how many people saw that clip, but like, or if you saw it at the end, or they they got it, they cut it before you could see that right if you watched it, but it it was really really bad.
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So so the I mean pretty much the consensus is is that it's not that he didn't he argued wrong points?
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Because I don't think, I don't.
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I think he stayed on his policies.
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I don't think there was anything.
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You were sitting there going like Joe Biden has switched or changed.
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It just was like he was, like he has.
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Just he looked frail, old and like literally on the verge of death, whereas Donald Trump, who's only like four years younger than him, looked more functional and so you're like you like.
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Okay, all right.
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So it's interesting to me that and I know this is the part, maybe, that I'm too pragmatic it seems to me that if you're the Democrats, why would you?
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Because everyone's been talking they need to pull him.
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They're going to pull, he needs to resign.
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You're hearing lots of calls from the Democrats they need to quit, but if you are a Democrat, who are you going to replace him with?
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The only person I could see would be Michelle Obama.
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What do you think?
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Absolutely.
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I mean, yeah, the only reasonable choice for them would be I would just have to.
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So I mean in the polling data that came out today, which is July 3rd.
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She's never held a political seat at all, neither had Donald Trump to be fair before he became president.
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Right, but he ran billion-dollar industry.
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Yeah, but she's got her husband in the back pocket.
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He would be president.
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Texas politics.
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We've seen this before.
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Remember vote for Maul, you get Paul.
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Yeah, yeah, he's.
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He would be president.
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Yeah, texas politics.
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We've seen this before.
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Remember, vote for maul, you get paul.
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Yeah, yeah, after he got ousted, right, what was that guy?
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That was like forever that was the governor forever.
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Yeah, but he would be, oh, I mean, we would have another situation like that obama presidency that's what it would be, he would run the show and they loved him.
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So yeah, and I think he, I think mich.
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At this point the polling shows that she would win.
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Now if she got up there and said something dumb, then she wouldn't and I think they would not go with Kamala Harris, because I don't think Kamala Harris has the ability to.
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She is like a younger version of the current Joe Biden.
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It's kind of a wild thing to kind of listen to her talk.
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That's where you're going to get your riff is who's going to be her vice presidential candidate.
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That's where the infighting begins, and I mean, kamala would have a meltdown like no other, and it is right now because her name is not being mentioned.
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Right, yeah, and I think that's why you have within the Democrat party right now.
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I think they're struggling to really pull it together.
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But if Michelle somehow was able to overcome the you know use, if Brock, through his political savvy, was able to get Joe to step down and I think really it's not even Joe, it's Jill Biden at this- point that's probably propping him up, no question about it.
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What do?
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you think is the reason for that, marlon?
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Why is the just?
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Just from a just a psychological perspective, why would Jill Biden want to be propped up?
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Just lust for power, power and wealth, like she wants to live in the white house just loves the power I'm telling you right now, you know yeah it just is.
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And her family said she.
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They said just this morning she and her family are meeting with him saying absolutely do not get out of this race, right?
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and she's eight years younger than him, so she's 73, so she's not exactly super young, but she's not, you know, old either, so it's it's kind of a wild sort of deal.
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So jill wants to keep it and joe, I think, is he's.
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He's like whatever his handlers tell him to do and to be fair, like and this is where I'm just gonna be honest with you and I would love to hear your perspective with this here's a question if, if the Republican presidential candidate was an empty suit, kind of how Joe Biden is, would you still vote for him?
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Ouch?
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Hey, that's a—.
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Well, I mean imagine, if the roles reversed Right question roles reversed right?
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Uh, you have, and it is barack obama who's on the other side, and you've got um the the joe biden republican guy who is, you know, going for christian like, stands for christian values, is probably going to do whatever the handlers tell him to do.
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What would you?
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do not vote really you would not vote.
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Well, I mean.
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If I mean, if I have somebody who has to be handled, or Barack Obama are my picks?
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I don't have a pick, then you're handing it over to the other side.
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That's why I don't know.
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Well, I guess I'll vote for me.
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Maybe I can get 30 votes so.
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I guess this is the dilemma I think because I would pretty much say you're a pretty stout, conservative, red state person, right.
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I don't think there's any 100% Like there's not a part of you that's like.
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I don't know.
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Maybe the Democrats this time, no so even you.
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But if you had a Joe Biden-esque person in your camp, you would just not vote.
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That, I think, is exactly what the Democrats are afraid of that there are the Democrat version of Machine Gun Nick out there saying I am just not going to vote because it's just, I can't even hold my nose and vote for Joe Biden because it's that bad, whereas for me I would still vote for the empty suit.
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There's a lot of, a lot of polling on the street, just on the street poll, right.
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So what about?
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Would you ever ever consider voting for trump?
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Haha, we that.
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Yeah, the hatred for him is so intense.
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But what about this guy?
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I probably won't vote, and that's, of course, to the to the republican advantage, right.
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But yeah, there is a lot of that right now.
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I mean, mean, how could I?
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How could I?
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But there's so much at stake with the president, there is Think of the things at stake of the president, like Supreme Court nominations.
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But Trump got three.
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He flipped the Supreme Court and like him or hate him, right, let's just say you're a conservative person that Christian values, you know.
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I just can't standald trump because he is a hypocrite.
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He is, you know, he abusive to women, all the things you just like.
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Yeah, he still got you three supreme court people and like now, what do you do?
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saved our bacon yeah, right, so like I mean roe v wade overturned Something that was 49 years, was that what?
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It was 49 years that Roe v Wade was the law that abortions could not be restricted by states, and now, all of a sudden, that is gone and so all the states are forming their own laws, which is constitutional, by the way.
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Sure, but is it right, and that's another question that's sort, by the way, sure, but is it right, and that's another question like that's?
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That's sort of the wild part of it, right uh, because I think, if you're like, is it ever right to kill someone?
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And then that's, that's where you're like.
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Well, you know, there, that's the part that christians would debate, right?
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No, it's not right.
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However, the Constitution says that that power doesn't lie in the federal government.
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It lies by the state.
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So that's where your state and local leaders can decide Right, and that's why you have Texas, who's basically no abortion.
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But there is national law.
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Don't murder, right, right, okay.
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So why can't it be national law?
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I'm not saying that's the president's job isn't to do that, right, right, okay.
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So why can't it be national law?
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And I'm not saying that's the president's job isn't to do that, right.
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His job is to sign a law into Right into a law, sign a bill into a law, right.
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And what Trump said, I think, in the debate, was that if a law came across his desk to ban abortion, he wouldn't sign it.
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And so that was sort of like, as a Christian, you go, listen, is that better than Roe v Wade being?
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Yes, but it's like man that's not exactly upholding and caring for the most marginalized and weakest.
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Anyway, that's just sort of a thought on that Right, because it's a difficult thing to sort of weigh and and I think that's one of the things that's a struggle as any sort of uh, christian and Marlon, you've you've been around a couple of years.
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You've seen presidents come and go, um, what like?
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At what point do you sort of draw the line I can't vote for that guy, um, based on a position somewhere.
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But they have like is there anything where you would not vote because you're like both these guys are terrible options.
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What would there?
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be anything, or just you take what you get, I would vote.
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Uh, you know, if any believer, any christian, it's gonna vote down the line of biblical worldview.
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Right, all right, simple as that.
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Yep, just follow the word just follow the bible.
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Yeah and uh, if you're going outside of that, you know, I mean you're going to vote the one that's going to be as close to the biblical worldview as you can get and not go by man's opinion.
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Yeah, don't go by your own opinion.
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Yeah, you know, go by man's opinion, go by your own opinion.
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Go by your own opinion.
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My earliest memories really is like the 84 election with Ronald Reagan.
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Take me back to 76 with Carter, who was a born-again believer, right Democrat, born-again believer.
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This is before, though that's before gay marriage was a thing.
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More of your standard Democrat that I think most Southerners were, and so what was the view back then for Christians?
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You know, I mean, that was really a time period when born again was being thrown around like you know candy.
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Oh really, you know, I mean everybody's talking born again this born again, that I'm born again, they're born again and really I mean no fruit whatsoever of that, oh wow, and a lot of different.
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Uh, politicians were riding the coattail of that, right, because there was a strong.
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There was a strong, uh, I guess, move of the spirit of god or whatever back because that's the jesus freak movement or whatever, like you know right, that's exactly right.
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yeah, see, so there was a.
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There was people courting the born again favor really strong, and and courting the favor of the churches, or you know this one.
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You know this administration is not matter of fact.
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They're so anti the born again, anti-evangelical, anti-churchurch Right it's unbelievable.
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They're screaming, you know, taking taxation away and everything else from the churches and 501-3C.
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It's just amazing to see them just look in the face of God and laugh and you say, well, donald Trump's not much better.
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Well, policy-wise, absolutely Right, right right, because the one thing.
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so going back to jimmy carter because this is the thing is fat, I mean it's kind of a tout is the worst president ever.
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I think 100 like everyone's like he's the worst.
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But then we had obama.
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But then we have biden, sure, but I think, I think that's the problem is that, uh, as one that was born in his, uh, in his presidential tenure, like I, I don't have a full grasp of how bad exactly it was, but it seemed to me that under Carter, gas prices were insane.
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Was that what gas rationing was happening?
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Yeah, and interest rates?
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Holy cow, we're like.
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Oh no, they're like 7%, 8%.
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They're like 20%.
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That's why the 80s was like 10s right To buy a house was like 10% all throughout the 80s.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, it was insane and we're over here like 6%, 7%.
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Yeah, throwing a fit about 6%, 7%, 8%.
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Well you know we don't need it.
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That's the difference.
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I remember that very well, right, well, the price of a house did go up drastically.
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Yeah, versus the price, versus the amount that that a person makes, you know pay raises.
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It's from 76 to now.
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Uh, did not go up with efficiency, which went up 200 and, like you, look at what people earn, it did not go up with efficiency yeah, yeah, just just some economics for you, yeah yeah, I think in 81 it was 18.63 percent, so like it was in during during carter it climbed to 12.9 percent and then with reagan event.
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You know he turned around about a year into his or I guess, two years almost two years into his presidency and that's when.
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That's when the, the, the yuppies, young professional, the member, the 80s became like this that's when I was doing coke and making money hand over fist and true.
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that is just a why I mean okay.
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So anyway, the reason I bring that up is it's like when I think about a guy that touted himself as a christian, like I think j Carter, like that was his, he had the bona fides, he taught Sunday school, he did all the things.
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He was Baptist, you know, and again I don't know how Baptist it was back then, but sort of an interesting, sort of kind of mindset.
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Anyway, I bring that up just because is Carter and again, this is just your opinion from you know a guy that just was alive and functional at that time.
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But like, do you think it's worse now, or is it just more polarized now?
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I think.
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I think it's worse now.
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Okay, yeah, I think it's like even with all the gas ration, I mean like I think about stuff like that.
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I'm like that's right, but then again we had the covet insanity, so like I guess the things don't the more things change more than say the same right.
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I think so as a christian.
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I'm looking at that going like back then in the 70s.
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I think a christian could probably get behind a democrat, because I don't think there were.
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Was it full-on?
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That was all.
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Democrats were pro-choice back then was that, yeah, okay, so that was pretty much standard.
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Definitely, I mean definitely against gay marriage everybody.
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Yeah, everybody was against gay marriage, everybody against gay marriage.
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But pro-choice was it was that as a democrat leading thing correct from even back then and so and that and so that was during his.
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Uh gosh, what year was roe v wade?
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Um 73.
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So that was just.
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That was actually during nixon's time.
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So you got roe v wade comes about during nixon's time.
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Of course, that was a supreme court decision, not a legislative process, which is what we all would say would be a more american way of doing law.
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Anyway, the reason why I bring that up in the midst of this debate is I'm just curious about, like as the empty suit.
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You've got someone who is, I mean, he has towed the line to democratic policy.
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He's whenever it's like, hey, we need to, we need to.
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Rainbow flags, the white house.
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Rainbow flags, the white house we need to do.
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Support trans, supporting trans, no, even when it goes against um like would be politically wise, I think, for biden.
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He toes the party line and I think that's why I asked you if, like, if you, if you had an empty suit, who would tow the party line?
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As far as being conservative you're like, I still wouldn't vote for him I think I don't think the republican party would push that person.
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Um, you know, I mean you got a scrap just to get that.
